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kingo110
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 Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: crosslings |
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| hi anyone have a poi for crosslings plumbing/building supplies ? would be very gratefull thanks |
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PaulB2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not try this page? Loads there to choose from. |
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pcaouolte
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I can't see a POI for the company called "Crosslings" on there Paul?
kingo110 I have created a tomtom poi for Crosslings based on the locations on their web site. If you send me a PM with your email address I will forward it to you.
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Andy_P
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| pcaouolte wrote: | | I have created a tomtom poi for Crosslings based on the locations on their web site |
I hope you are going to send it in to Richard for inclusion here too, mate? |
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pcaouolte
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Andy_P wrote: | | pcaouolte wrote: | | I have created a tomtom poi for Crosslings based on the locations on their web site |
I hope you are going to send it in to Richard for inclusion here too, mate? |
Not sure about the copyright implications. I have downloaded the locations including co-ordinates from their web site. All I have done myself is convert their data to a POI file. It seems to me that the copyright is likely to be theirs so the data could not be hosted here. I am quite willing to let Richard have the data if it doesn't breach copyright. Can anyone advise?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Best bet would be to ask them via e-mail, also offer them the file for inclusion on their web site in both TomTom and Garmin (csv) format.
You might need to explain what the POI file actually does and that it is in their interest to make the file available, and issue permission for it to be hosted on this site, although you must have put quite a bit of work in to the file as the location information on their site to start with isn't too hot - Mike |
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Darren
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| pcaouolte wrote: | | Not sure about the copyright implications. I have downloaded the locations including co-ordinates from their web site. All I have done myself is convert their data to a POI file. It seems to me that the copyright is likely to be theirs so the data could not be hosted here. I am quite willing to let Richard have the data if it doesn't breach copyright. Can anyone advise? |
I can only see basic address and Google Maps location info on their site, is it that which you have used?
Either way it'd be the work of a few minutes at most to manually create the POI Info from that data and no breach of copyright would ensue?
To that end I have contacted Crossling's seeking their permission.
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PaulB2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I can't see a POI for the company called "Crosslings" on there Paul? |
Totally missed the word Crosslings...  |
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pcaouolte
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Darren wrote: | I can only see basic address and Google Maps location info on their site, is it that which you have used?
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On the Crosslings web site is a google map with pushpin locations marked.
I loaded the pushpins into google earth, saved a kmz file containing the locations, loaded the kmz file into Tyre and converted it to a tomtom ov2.
I think that the resulting data would probably be Crosslings copyright as I have put no real efffort into locating the sites or compiling the data.
The OP has this data now and has said to me that it is just what he wanted.
Let's hope that Crosslings will let you host the data. Presumably they want to make it easy for visitors to find them.
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Andy_P
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| pcaouolte wrote: |
I think that the resulting data would probably be Crosslings copyright as I have put no real efffort into locating the sites or compiling the data. |
It's a real tricky area.
My understanding is this (and I'm NO lawyer!)....
If the information is in the public domain and didn't exist as a POI file before YOU made it, then I think it is YOUR copyright, in the same way as the info we provide about the Spped Cameras is in the public domain, but because PGPSW make the POI file, they can claim copyright on the completed database. |
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pcaouolte
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I'll wait for them to reply to Darren. If they ok hosting it here then it won't matter who owns the copyright.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Andy_P wrote: | | pcaouolte wrote: |
I think that the resulting data would probably be Crosslings copyright as I have put no real efffort into locating the sites or compiling the data. |
It's a real tricky area.
My understanding is this (and I'm NO lawyer!)....
If the information is in the public domain and didn't exist as a POI file before YOU made it, then I think it is YOUR copyright, in the same way as the info we provide about the Spped Cameras is in the public domain, but because PGPSW make the POI file, they can claim copyright on the completed database. |
Agree with you Andy to a point, But what if that data in the public domain comes with lat/long in a csv file say - and then you turned that into a POI still using the same co-ords?
Your created Poi file, but not your collected data?
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Darren
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| mpwilson99 wrote: | Agree with you Andy to a point, But what if that data in the public domain comes with lat/long in a csv file say - and then you turned that into a POI still using the same co-ords?
Your created Poi file, but not your collected data? |
That's not the same thing though. A collection of co-ords in a .csv file is just that, a 'collection' and as such the creator can claim copyright over it. Much the same as the Phone Book is copyright because someone has collated and published the telephone numbers as a collection.
If you glean the individual locations yourself and then compile them you breach no copyright so long as none of those locations came from another collection in part or whole.
Anyway as Crosslings haven't bothered to reply to my enquiry I can't be bothered to spend time collating the data for a POI for them nor can I be bothered to go out of my way to elicit the help of anyone else here to populate a Crosslings POI database!
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ninersunionjack
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hi all i work at crossling pipeline in wakefield
i can ask the md tomorrow
im new to this sat nav stuff. so data base stuff is over my head at the mo
but i can ask about the copyright
i don't think it would be a problem as it may help customers find our branches |
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Darren
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| ninersunionjack wrote: | hi all i work at crossling pipeline in wakefield
i can ask the md tomorrow
im new to this sat nav stuff. so data base stuff is over my head at the mo
but i can ask about the copyright
i don't think it would be a problem as it may help customers find our branches |
Hi, that would be appreciated satnav. Basically all we're asking for permission to offer a Points of Interest POI set for Crosslings.
This can be downloaded to a to allow customers to get directions to their branches.
They may even have one already?
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