Lifetime Membership - sigh!

jonokimber · Lifetime Member Joined: Oct 03, 2003 Posts: 36

Well guys, sorry to have to post another one of these threads but i am left with no choice in my opinion. Please read all i have to say and then ask if there was anything else i can do?

I have 19 days left on my paid for subscription. At the beginning of the year and also throughout this year i have submitted two changes (removal) of fixed sites, a new mobile site and have 'edited' the info on a few fixed sites too.

The criteria for lifetime membership has been checked time and again and i do definitely qualify on three counts. (2, 3 twice and 5 in the list below)

Darren · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject:

If your submissions were made during an active subscription then they will be deemed as qualifying if they subsequently get verified after your subscription has lapsed.

If you supply me with the camera ID of one or more cameras I will advise as to the current status of the submission and if they are recorded as qualifying pending verification etc

If you think the database is valuable then subscribe when your current term expires, if you subsequently get upgraded then you've still got a lifetime of subsequent updates free for £38!
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Darren Griffin

scarymonkey · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject:

I understand how you feel about the time it takes to verify camera locations but since it is done by a volunteer team, and in the case of mobile locations also requires a further independant siting it is understandable.

Also, although you may almost meet the requirements you listed, it is possible you were not the first person to report this. Only the PGPSW team will know this (and as Darren has said, send him details of one or more of the cameras and he will look into it for you). Personally, since the information must already be in a database/spreadsheet somewhere, I feel it should be possible to provide a user interface to check their submissions. This will require time and programming effort though so I guess would be a lower priority.

To become a verfier AIUI you have to be a lifetime member already, so we wouldn't qualify if a position did come along.

Personally in your case I would be subscribing again as I do think £19 is cheap. Just think how much a fixed penalty costs and you can see you get 3 years membership for the cost of 1 ticket.
I am hopeful (again) that some of my submissions of M4 Specs cameras this month will be qualifying ones, but even if they aren't I will be continuing to submit changes etc as I see them and then resubscribing again if I am still not lucky enough when my sub expires early next year.

Darren · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject:

scarymonkey · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject:

jonokimber · Lifetime Member Joined: Oct 03, 2003 Posts: 36

When i removed the two Shrewsbury cameras from the database i did notice that they had a line drawn through them immediately. Surely if someone else had beaten me to it they would have had that line drawn through them already? Maybe i'm wrong but i also did enter them on the day of removal.

Does anyone know what will happen to my submissions if i don't renew my membership? Or put another way, will i receive lifetime membership on my submissions if i let my membership lapse in the meanwhile?

Keep up the good work.

Jono

Oldboy · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Submissions - are you first?

Andy_P · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Lifetime Membership - sigh!

Darren · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Submissions - are you first?

jonokimber · Lifetime Member Joined: Oct 03, 2003 Posts: 36

Firstly to Richard - apologies for missing what Darren wrote, at least i can rest assured that my small amount of effort might still count for a lifetime membership if or when verified.

Regarding the two Gatsos i removed from Shrewsbury they are no longer showing up in the 'submissions' map whereas the active mobile site up the road is so i assume they won't be in the database and that i have successfully removed them from the database.

From this info can i draw the conclusion that either

a) the cameras are removed before verification (seeing as i haven't had verification notification)

or

b) someone beat me to it and now they are verified and hence removed someone else must have got there before me seeing as i haven't had notification?

I'm sorting out a download and trying to get my TomTom One XL workign reliably now but that's another story for another day!!!

Jon

jonokimber · Lifetime Member Joined: Oct 03, 2003 Posts: 36

Hi Darren

I simply cannot remember about the lines through the cameras and whether or not they were drawn instantly etc.

Now i can't even supply you with the camera details for you to check out either as they have been removed!

One of the removed was here though...

Centre Latitude: 52.72080047501282 Longitude: -2.7410700917243958

and the other very close (they were back to back)

Centre Latitude: 52.72094668992498 Longitude: -2.740742862224579

Maybe you can see them on a master database?

I think i also submitted this one outright

MOBILE:52191@40, Heading:202, Single Direction

Thanks

Jon

DennisN · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject:

scarymonkey · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject:

Cheers Dennis, I might not be going totally mad then.......

I know one of my M4 ones was rejected as it remained a blue cross when they were all shown on the map. 2 of them appear to have been converted though so I am quietly confident this time (probably misplaced confidence Laughing Out Loud

).

The important thing though is to make the database as accurate and as up to date as possible. Anything else is just a bonus.

jonokimber · Lifetime Member Joined: Oct 03, 2003 Posts: 36

so, back to my original set of questions and predicament...

I can confirm that the Gatsos in Shrewsbury that I removed from the database have indeed gone from the latest download.

I cannot supply the details of these cameras but I did give very accurate lat / long values in a post above. I would be delighted if Darren would check these submissions to see if i was the first to report them and therfore to indicate that there is hope of lifetime membership if they can be verified.

Other than that I waited nearly a year before sparking another membership thread. Sorry to have wasted time by asking the questions. As someone else stated, it would be nice indeed to see the status of a submission such as whether you were the first to submit etc.

Off to bed now, hoping my new TomTom application download will fix my perpetual crashing problems? But that's another story for another day.

Cheers all.

Jon

MaFt · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:12 am Post subject:

Hi Jon,

of your submissions:

40879 - october 07 removal - wasn't first
42393 - december 07 - mobile position change (do not qualify for lifetime)
51206 - april 08 - mobile seen again (do not qualify for lifetime)
52191 - april 08 - new mobile site - has been seen again but not verified - awaiting further independent sighting or verifier confirmation before lifetime given
52194 - april 08 - wasn't first

hope that helps. please note that that took about 10-12 minutes to compile to report back to you - if we had to do that for 30-80 submissions every day then there would be one database release a year (if you were lucky!) - hence why we don't report back for every single submission.

MaFt

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