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iankb wrote:
While I'm not referring to anybody specifically on this forum, what really annoys me is those 'leechers' who complain about the inaccuracies, but do nothing about correcting them for the benefit of other users. And they're probably the first ones to complain about the database going commercial. Let's face it, if they'd bothered to report the inaccuracies, they would be gettting the database for free, and would have less to complain about.
...Now, this really needed to be said! I have absolutely NO sympathy WHATSOEVER for anyone who complains about having to pay for a database containing inaccuracies that they have known about for months. When I first started using the database, there were three local cameras missing: next month, they were in there.
"Leechers" indeed! My term for them would be less polite.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: pocket gps speed camera database
Hi
know this has been probably answered earlier in this post but 29 pages is alot to read through. So will ask for a simple easy answer. Am quite happy to pay for the database but will I have to pay seperately for different databases as I have A navman in my girlfriends car A I3 streetpilot Garmin I use for day today driving and a Medion PNA100 with tomtom for more advanced stuff including Cross country stuff such as walking using memory map. Will I have to pay for multi databases or will it be a single download with all formats??
Secondly how will you deal with illegal copies that will with out doubt make their way onto the net. I don't like the idea of what I have payed for becoming available via Peer2Peer software such as kazaar etc ?
All seems reasonably fair and well thought out - not going through 29 pages of posts though. I suspect i'll be going for the £2 monthly option as and when I want to update my database. I hope you've automated this process it sounds a nightmare!
Joined: Feb 10, 2005 Posts: 1951 Location: Mostly somewhere in Essex
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Safety Camera Fees - Details
Darren wrote:
delboy0754 wrote:
Thanks, where do we send in details, or will that come later?
We'll announce this in the early part of Jan in sufficient time to ensure all those eligible are registered prior to the charge commencing.
I've tried to keep up with the notifications and the forum posts on this, sometimes heated, discussion. Have I missed the 'announcement' about submitting details etc.. Have tried to read all the 29 odd pages but must have missed some.
Would someone please point me in the right direction Thanks _________________ Gee-Pee
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject:
gingernut777 wrote:
Privateer wrote:
If you sent it via email then you should have a record of it in your email application.
Regards,
Not everybody saves their emails .
What is the proof They have that they sent in a camera location.
You don't need to physically save emails - what Privateer was saying is that if you use an email application such as Microsoft Outlook, or even if you use webmail, your sent emails should all be automatically saved in your 'Sent' mail folder.
I don't know (m)any people who delete their 'Sent' items.
Regards,
Bo Peep. _________________ TomTom 730
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Joined: Oct 28, 2004 Posts: 128 Location: Cheshire
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject:
[quote]iankb wrote:
While I'm not referring to anybody specifically on this forum, what really annoys me is those 'leechers' who complain about the inaccuracies, but do nothing about correcting them for the benefit of other users. And they're probably the first ones to complain about the database going commercial. Let's face it, if they'd bothered to report the inaccuracies, they would be gettting the database for free, and would have less to complain about.
Quote:
RobStevens wrote:
...Now, this really needed to be said! I have absolutely NO sympathy WHATSOEVER for anyone who complains about having to pay for a database containing inaccuracies that they have known about for months. When I first started using the database, there were three local cameras missing: next month, they were in there.
"Leechers" indeed! My term for them would be less polite.
Quote:
Maybe we should have a childrens thread so you people (not leechers, whingers, or moaners) can call each other names, and maybe do it more specifically. Frankly I am a little sick of you people (who are all getting lifetime membership no doubt) throwing insults at anyone who disagrees with the pricing schedule. Maybe we could have free debate where everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Maybe also the mod's could do the business and remind people of this (or is there a reason why they are not?). Right!! of you go children, start the insult hurling.
anyway back to my point i pais £5 donation to speed camera when i downloaded it do i still pay £19 to get updates by the way there is a moblie camera {van} A54 bottom of kelsall hill in cheshire its not on database me being thick dont know how to log and send it to you any way about this money
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:37 am Post subject:
Bo Peep wrote:
I don't know (m)any people who delete their 'Sent' items.
Regards,
Bo Peep.
I'll bet if you did a poll, you'de find quite a lot of people don't save them. What about PC's that have needed re-installing, etc. due to viral infections.
The general user of a PC is is unaware of backing up, and looking at some PC forums, are very computer 'Illiterate' _________________ Using an A to Z
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Joined: Feb 10, 2005 Posts: 1951 Location: Mostly somewhere in Essex
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:
Quote:
Darren wrote:
delboy0754 wrote:
Thanks, where do we send in details, or will that come later?
We'll announce this in the early part of Jan in sufficient time to ensure all those eligible are registered prior to the charge commencing.
Could someone who knows tell me if this announcement has been made and where do I send my details to register Sorry I have missed it or cannot find it _________________ Gee-Pee
Lifetime member PGPSW - time rapidly decreasing
I'll bet if you did a poll, you'de find quite a lot of people don't save them. What about PC's that have needed re-installing, etc. due to viral infections.
The general user of a PC is is unaware of backing up, and looking at some PC forums, are very computer 'Illiterate'
People don't need to save them, that's the point. The average PC user is using Outlook, maybe they've installed Thunderbird instead, or perhaps they're using gmail or yahoo. All of these will save emails by default in the Sent or Outbox folder. Nothing needs to be done, they're there already. So your computer illiterates are going to have them anyway.
As for having to do a re-install from a virus, well I guess that happens but don't they have bigger problems to worry about at that stage? _________________ Garmin Nuvi
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject:
If you've sent an email to the cameras@ address, the site will have a copy of it. Also, there are other ways to prove who sent what in, if needs be. _________________ Tim
Joined: May 09, 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Reading, UK
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject:
To the forum administrators ...
If you're hoping to get my forum name by match the sender's email address in my contribution with the email address in my profile, you will have a problem. Since I have my own domains, I use a unique address in my profile, but send email with a generic address. The former to detect the source of spam, and the latter because of the inconvenience of changing the account information in Outlook for each new email.
If required, I hope that you will send an email to each sender's address to confirm the user's forum name. _________________ Ian
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Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject:
iankb wrote:
If required, I hope that you will send an email to each sender's address to confirm the user's forum name.
Yes, this is what we intend to do.
Apologies for the delay in responding to how we will be dealing with this. We are in the process of setting up a system which will help with the transition.
We feel that the majority will be easily identified (hopefully!) and, as Tim said, there are other ways to prove who sent what, if needs be.
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