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TomTom On Watchdog tonight (Tuesday 7pm)
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unclebill
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Trev .
You have to disable the speed cameras as well , keep the" warn when near poi " on , you will still get the icon and sound as you come up to the cam.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
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Your missing the point. She spent a lot of money on a bit of kit that should take her to the right street.

Nope, satnav is a guide, its not autopilot.


Agreed. And it is supposed to guide you where you want to go. Do you think it would sell well if it had the sales strap line "Gets you nearly to where you want to be!" "Now with Postcodes so you can find the street next to the one you want!"

[quote=TomTOM Website]Door to door planning!

Find your way to any address across Europe![/quote]
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Door to door planning!
Find your way to any address across Europe!


It may be difficult to believe but each time I have used TomTom (V3 and V5) it has done just that; directed me to every address I've asked it to in five countries across Europe.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the road ends in a river , or at a farmers gate , then the guidance should give you this information . I bet if you were driving down a country lane on a foggy night , and the road disappeared , the first words that were spoken would be b****** satnav !


Yeah, the sat nav should be able to warn you that there are cows wandering on the road, just around the corner too. Rolling Eyes

As for the road ending at a ferry terminal, if you don't notice that then you are guilty of driving without due care and attention. Some people astound me, if the sat nav told them to drive off a cliff then they probably would. :x
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the point I was trying to make Skippy Laughing

Maybe tomtom should call their next version 'Autopilot, for those without a driving licence' Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor.dowle wrote:
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When TT is working correctly the display doesn't lag by a few seconds. If this is happening you have encountered one of the TT bugs and you can cure the problem by disabling some of the features (usually associated with POIs and/or POI warnings)



OK I'll give it a try, but the only POIs and warnings I have enabled are the safety cameras. If there is anything extra I can disable I would appreciate some suggestions. TIA

cheers...........

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I only use the speed camera POIs, and a couple of other 'external' POIs.

I was suffering from map display lag until I disabled or changed some of the TT functions.

I currently see no lag at all - until I enable some of the POIs supplied by TT.

I currently don't have any of the TT POI warning functions enabled. I use TT to display the POI icon and Checkpoint to supply the audible warnings.

The option in the Volume menu to adjust volume to speed seems to have caused map lag problems for some people. I have this option disabled.

Suggested in the US based web forums, replacing the TT5 supplied POI data base with a smaller one from an earlier version has solved similar types of problems for some people.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the replies on this thread make me wonder who some of the people replying work for......

So let me get this right, It is fine that a £500 product works pretty much OK, because nothing is perfect? So what if it only gets you close to where you want to be, your driving the car!

Navigator tells me "You have reached your destination as I stop on my drive, which is stunningly accurate, but I know where I live. If I need to find a street in Glasgow I want it to tell me how to get there from where I come off the motorway, not take me to the next road along because thats close enough. If I don't know the area, how do I know it is the next road along?

Anyone live in Hogsfare Road in Burnam near Slough? It takes them round the block to get to their front door, but at least it would get them there!

I have only had Navigator for just over a month and of the few dozen routes I have used it on it has always been close, but not accurate. Indeed one place I went to I struggled with because the road was not where it was supposed to be, I still found it by carrying on another 300 yards until I found it. I asked the homeowner I spoke to about it and it got changed SEVEN years ago. So the map is only just out of date then.

Lets face it, we pay for a premium product, we should at least expect it to work.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely Masked-Marauder,

You make some good points but these issues are to do with the map not the actual tomtom product. You can't blame tomtom for something they have not made. If everyone stopped having a go at tomtom and started complaining to Teleatlas (the company responsible for these errors) then maybe things will improve in the future.

I understand that people are annoyed with tomtom because 'thats who I bought it off' but using that argument is like blaming T- Mobile because Samsung phones are Censored

I have actually been using tomtom for just over a year now and it has always got me to my destination within 100yards Clap Must be lucky I guess.

I still maintain that tomtom is the market leader and would challenge anybody to compete with it using a road map!!!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

satnav is an aid imo. if you listen to it all the time you will be in trouble (i found out the hard way with a 70 mile detour).

how can the a-z maps be updated more often then these maps? surely they all come from the same maps deep down?????. altough i would expect them to print the newer maps when production allows. unfortunetely satnav is once a year ticket at best with the maps they are using i guess being about a further year behind with the time it takes to program the satnav software.

the difference with the a-z is it doesn't tell you one way roads, quickest route etc etc. this is what you buy satnav for imo. in a perfect world ofcourse it will be 100% accurate but the rate in which our local councils see as fit to change our roads means no one can be expected to keep up. as someone has already said, this would be possible with expensive updates and realistically there would be very few takers.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought that it would be simpler to update a paper map actually, as it only covers a local area, not the whole of Europe....
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think thats what raptorheli2 meant
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't they just make the maps configurable by the user. That way you can keep your own maps up to date as you discover new roads etc. until the next version becomes available.

You could also use resources such as this one to share the updates - assuming you trust the people who are contributing.

Just an idea - maybe too complex?

There must be someone out there who can build a user interface into these maps surely? (you'd make a bloomin' fortune!)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the road ends in a river , or at a farmers gate , then the guidance should give you this information . I bet if you were driving down a country lane on a foggy night , and the road disappeared , the first words that were spoken would be b****** satnav !

HI Skippy
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Yeah, the sat nav should be able to warn you that there are cows wandering on the road, just around the corner too. Rolling Eyes


and lets not forget the sheep , horses , hikers , farm tractors and all the other uncharted and un-mappable objects
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you read the PocketGPSworld report on the August visit to TeleAtlas , you will find lots of information about digital map creation.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: Report of the PocketGPSWorld.com visit TeleAtlas in Belgium Reply with quote
PocketGPSWorld.com visit Tele Atlas. Click here for the reportThe digital mapping companies come in for a lot of criticism from the GPS user community. In particular there have been a lot of issues with missing roads, roads with the wrong names, bad junctions, and turn restrictions etc etc. There was a lot of concern in the forums with the currency of the latest TomTom maps released with version 5 software.

We wanted to put these issues to Tele Atlas and get some answers from them. At the same time we also wanted to discover the process that Tele Atlas (and it's customers) use to create digital maps, and then how they end up in SatNav products such as TomTom Navigator, or NavMan SmartST Pro. We also wanted to see what happens when mapping errors are reported and how they get incorporated into the map data.

Of course this was also a great opportunity to discuss specific issues with Tele Atlas that you , the users, wanted answering.

Well I spent 6 hours with senior management and product managers discussing all these items. Click here for the full report of the visit and the answers to yor questions
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
Actually that road (the perimter road) is 'private' and joe public are not supposed to drive along it.


Well, no-one has told the CAA, and I'd expect them to know about it. After all, they advocate using it to get to their Headquarters in Gatwick.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAA_MAP_GATWICK.PDF

If they had restricted access, I'd expect a 'No vehicles except .....' sign at either end; there are none.
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