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I would be really grateful for your help to confirm if these meet the criteria or if you know of any more that do (some of them I cannot get to easily!)
PS I have compiled an updated set of Motorway service areas together with the S symbol (rather than a 'bridge') - is it worth uploading these to the POIs or are people happy with the existing ones?
Living in Gateshead, I am not sure what exactly the "A1 Gateshead" Services are.
Granada Services, as everyone still calls it even though I believe it's now Moto, at Washington (but still in the Gateshead Unitary Council area), is actually where the the A1 (T) has joined/merged with the A194 (M) to go on to form the A1 (M) south towards Durham - so that's actually a MOTORWAY Services.
(Silly trivia for you too, it's just after the Junction 65 split of the said two roads, which makes it far and away the highest numbered Motorway Junction number anywhere in the country).
At Blaydon in Gateshead, at the opposite, Western side of the borough, just before the A1 crosses the River Tyne and goes into Newcastle, and just west of the Metrocentre Shopping Complex, there is a Petrol Station, and the "Derwent Crossing" Brewers Fayre pub and Premier Travel Inn - if this is instead what you mean.
And as such, to be fair, it would meet your criteria and everything, it's just that us locals have never really referred to it as a Services facility for the A1 (T) before, nor do I know if it is signposted as such.
But in hindsight, it would still satisfy your criteria perhaps, as whilst off on a different road from the A1 (T), actually being on the A69/A694 spur off the A1, it's not a stone's throw off the A1 nevertheless, and certainly closer than some real Motorway Services are to their roads, for sure.
But if these are neither of the sites meant by Gateshead Services, I'd love to be enlightened.
"Falkirk" might know, if he sees this, as he's the PGPSW Database Verifier for this region, and is based in Newcastle.
Hope this is relevant, and if I think of any more, I'll let you know...
In fact... on that note, check out the A194/A184 services at Whitemare Pool in Gateshead.
Heading north on the A1 (M), past Washington Services, refereed to before, the road does the said "Y" split, and to the left, and North West, the road remains the A1, but is a Trunk Road, not a Motorway from that point. To the right, and slightly North Easterly direction however, the road remains a Motorway, but is numbered the A194 (M) for a couple of miles.
It then finishes at "Whitemare Pool" Roundabout, in Gateshead, with the junction with the east-west A184 between Gateshead and Sunderland.
And on the northern side of the roundabout, where the road continues on towards the borough of South Tyneside, there is a "Services" area consisting of 24 hour fuel, a Hotel (Travelodge brand), a Burger King, and a Little Chef.
As it's on the interchange of he end of the Motorway, as well as the A184 primary road, and the continuation of the A194 towards the A19, it probably satisfies your criteria too.
Joined: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Newcastle, England, UK
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:29 am Post subject:
Hi there. I would agree that the area around the metro centre in gateshead does have most of those features you are looking for. The only things i would be concerned about are, there are no areas specifically for trucks to park up. It has plenty of food/shop outlets, but petrol/diesel services are not in close proximity to the location to say its a 'service area'. If i were travelling late at night, its not quite a service station in terms of everythingyou want being next to each other. _________________ Tomtom GO 1005 LIVE
Hi there. I would agree that the area around the metro centre in gateshead does have most of those features you are looking for. The only things i would be concerned about are, there are no areas specifically for trucks to park up. It has plenty of food/shop outlets, but petrol/diesel services are not in close proximity to the location to say its a 'service area'. If i were travelling late at night, its not quite a service station in terms of everythingyou want being next to each other.
oops - Hi Falkirk mate.
Whilst I'd never presume to Verify a Verifier, I think my wording may have misconstrued...
The Metrocentre was only mentioned as a geographic locator for the place I actually meant - Blaydon/Derwenthaugh Services...
If you drop off the A1 just west of the Metrocentre, and take the road round and under, towards the Scotswood Bridge, there is a Services based area there - Derwenthaugh.
It consists of a 24 hour petrol station, reasonably priced, a Brewers Fayre Restaurant, and a Premier Travel Inn - the "Derwent Crossing", built on to it.
So it is a full Servies area for LIGHT VEHICLE based users.
No facility at all for trucks though, as you say, though the garage does allow a separate unenclosed Diesel Pump, for LGV access, and a rear service road allows for one-off emergency parking of LGV's etc.
My only issue, if any at all, is that it's not really ON the A1, but in truth, being only 500-600 yards off it, could easily constitute such.
Hope this helps identify the one I mean...
Co-ordinates: 54.96098 by -1.68820 (that a WEST-ing folks there)
Google maps/Earth Sat Imagery will help too...
Cheers all, I think this could be a handy POI file too mate, so keep up the good work Geddit too.
No problem shadamehr. Glad i could offer some assistance to the question posed.
No problem, and nice to have you back verifying the area.
Especially as not 600 yards from site discussed above in detail, I still have a submission outstanding requiring further verification.
FLAME-PROOF SUIT MODE alert - rest assured all, this is as light-hearted as it gets, positively, not yet ANOTHER whinge for poor MaFt tired of hearing about it - it's a JOKE to welcome poor Falkirk into the saga too.
So welcome back. Where do I send the brown envelope to stuffed with cash mate?
Joined: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Newcastle, England, UK
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject:
Yes its good to be back in the area. Got 3 cameras done in the area yesterday on my travels! I assume by the last post you are referring to the mobile location you submitted next to the metro centre, almost under the bridge? You also DON'T have a submission requiring further verification by a PGPSW verifier. It was verified by myself and another member a LONG time ago. It is currently awaiting further individual sightings. It is currently listed in the verifier database as "MOBILE:46531@70, Heading:285, Single Direction Awaiting further submissions".
Also, I accept paypal as well as cash. The address is Tesco, Kingston Park, Newcastle _________________ Tomtom GO 1005 LIVE
I'll check out the places mentioned - I suppose I don't really mind what one calls the 'services': I do a lot of night driving and sometimes just need somewhere to stop. Thanks
Jay
Joined: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Newcastle, England, UK
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:
Geddit, do me a favour and stick the co-ordinates for "A1 Gateshead" into google maps, and see where it gives you. I`ll give you a heads up first, Newcastle/Gateshead is located at approximately 55 degrees north!
Oh and also, you need to put the North/south component before the east/west component. _________________ Tomtom GO 1005 LIVE
I see what I did wrong - I followed up the A194M instead of the A1. So what I called Gateshead was as you say the "Whitemare Pool" roundabout sevices - but I did not save the coordinates correctly.
Joined: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 1649 Location: Newcastle, England, UK
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:
Its ok, i got a surprise when i saw a large motorway junction in "gateshead" thats all. I know ive been away for 5 months, but didnt think they had time to build that ! No probs m8. Glad you got it sorted! _________________ Tomtom GO 1005 LIVE
Sorry shadamehr, it looks like I made a mistake - it looks like what I called Gateshead is the Ferrybridge Services at the A1M M62 junction!
Jay
- right, one at a time, first this one Geddit...
If so, erm, yes, that's a bit far off, but hopefully if so then, my two suggestions give you thought for an additional two inclusions.
falkirk81 wrote:
Yes its good to be back in the area. Got 3 cameras done in the area yesterday on my travels! I assume by the last post you are referring to the mobile location you submitted next to the metro centre, almost under the bridge? You also DON'T have a submission requiring further verification by a PGPSW verifier. It was verified by myself and another member a LONG time ago. It is currently awaiting further individual sightings. It is currently listed in the verifier database as "MOBILE:46531@70, Heading:285, Single Direction Awaiting further submissions".
Also, I accept paypal as well as cash. The address is Tesco, Kingston Park, Newcastle
Ah Falkirk - class mate, that's an excellent response - giving me a far better insight into how these particular difficult verifications of Mobile sites take place, though unless it's a secret (which would be understandable), I'd love to know how many further sightings, verified sites need before inclusion - clearly the more, the more exact the database though, it must be said.
In terms of this one, if it's not hijacking this thread too much, clearly, as you can see yourself, there is the purpose built hard-stand, and bollarded safety measures for it. That I would guess, would help a verifier GUESS at a likely POSSIBILITY of a Mobile Site, more than a standard open country road one would, so I see now how they kind of work.
What it needs then, is more confirmations of the actual CAMERA VAN having been there, as opposed to the shared use by police cars, and DVLA Tax Enforcement cars, that are also meant to share these specially built hard-stands, but thus far I've not seen one use them, but park in the parking areas further north in your neck of the woods instead (doh to them for that).
All I can hope is that this doesn't take for ever, as (if it helps confirm THIS one), the site's sister location, at Entry 37451, which is the entrance point to the A1 Joint Scheme, is a verified and accepted entry, and is the exact same thing as this one - indeed, it's from my OWN view of course, but I have seen the van at my submission twice, but not since seen the van at 37451 since that one was first built/completed. Most likely though, this is because when the Speed Camera Van leaves my submission entry, 46531, it then spends an hour or two catching people at 23892, the 30mph ring-road of the Metrocentre proper, just 350 yards over from it.
And all this is having poor "geddit"s post go too far OT, but can I just repeat, an excellent insight, as to how Mobile sites are verified and added, to go with the other threads already on the site by others such as the "day in the life of..." thread/post
Thanks Falkirk - I'll meet you discreetly in the Trolley Bay furthest north next to the metro line, with the Envelope
Good luck, "Geddit", and give consideration to my own POI suggestions to add to your quest. The co-ordinates for one, I have already given above, For the other I mention, Whitemare Pool, you are looking at: 54.94758 by -1.51478 (West)
Oh and please all, I KNOW, I've made this thread wander a bit, AND it's about that same thing I have done to death. BUT, there's a different context to it here.
And if it offsets things, I've just spent the last two hours or more, working through the POI Submissions Database, to find the missing 13 Tyne and Wear Metro Stations, as only 47 were listed, and there are 60, so I have added all those, so I DO aim to give something back where I can - indeed, my attention to detail, and time consuming task, was such that I realised I had found 14 omissions, bringing the total to 61 metro stations, when only 60 exist, so then had to wade through maps etc all over again, to find that one station was duplicated already in the database.
So I don't just take take take folks, I try to give back too.
So please forgive me rambling Geddit, and hope your pursuits go well.
Not sure your intent here, as to WHICH ones you actually want,
But a number of locations in your list are full dedicated MOTORWAY Service Stations, not A Road ones.
For example:
-1.55801 54.89077 "A1(M) Washington S"
-1.55964 54.88906 "A1(M) Washington N"
-1.52378 54.72834 "A1(M) Durham"
1.5669 54.29937 "A1 Leeming Bar" (I'd hazard a guess, as that parts now Motorway'ed)
-0.32202 52.53165 "A1(M) Peterborough" ...
-0.20125 52.01389 "A1(M) Baldock" ... If the (M) means anything)
-0.22369 51.68801 "A1(M) South Mimms" ...
Additionally my own, Whitemare Pool, comes at the END/START of a motorway, but is on the A road, so probably a fair inclusion, as is Broxden Roundabout, at Perth - -3.48089 56.38817 "A9 Broxden"
Hope this helps, getting your handy thread back on track.
Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject:
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All I can hope is that this doesn't take for ever
...but in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter how long it takes anybody's submission to complete its way through the system??
Whilst a mobile is waiting to be included in the database as a fully-fledged camera, it may be downloaded and included as a pMobile, thus continuing to warn members in the meantime.
The accuracy of the database ought to be paramount, NOT the speed at which cameras are included.
Whilst mobile submissions typically take longer, some fixed cameras in remote areas may also take longer than average to complete the cycle from submission to inclusion.
I always refer to camera submissions as being like the National Lottery - you buy your ticket(s) and HOPE to win, but if you're NOT lucky enough to win do you go banging on Camelot's door?
Whilst we all hope to qualify for free lifetime subscriptions, it seems that these are chased on a regular basis by members automatically assume that their submission has met the criteria or who are too impatient for their mobile submission to filter through the system.
Members also forget that verifiers go out and verify in their own time and at their own expense, so with the escalating fuel prices and so on, frustrations may rise and members may receive short sharp answers if/when camera submissions are chased.
Before anybody thinks that I'm taking the high ground on this, I've been there myself, done and got the T-shirt. I have submitted a new GATSO camera where the cement around its base was still wet (my dog left a paw print as proof of this), but I was beaten to reporting it by another member (or members).
The system of allocating free lifetime subscriptions is FAIR and equally applied to EVERYBODY - the only difference is that some mobile submissions may just take a little longer to filter through, but patience is a virtue.
This is not a specific comment aimed at any particular member, but is rather a general comment hoped to serve as a reminder to everybody because the question of "Where's my free subscription?" has a habit of cropping up from time to time. _________________ Andy
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