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Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Bedford, England
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: Tom tom route options
I've had a play with the routeing options on my 700 over the last couple of days.
First attempt was using shortest route, and that was soon scrapped as it took me off every by-pass, and through the villages.
I then tried avoid motorways, and that took me on a scenic route, mostly on A roads, and always around the by-passes. A 1hr 40 journey using motorways, was estimated as a 2hr 15 journey, but I made up over 15 mins because I was driving (at 50mph on 60mph roads) faster than the 700 expected. What was interesting is that it took me through 2 rail bridges with height limits, and no way to turn around. One was 11ft, 6ins. Glad I wasn't driving a lorry.
On the motorway, however, with speed set at 70mph on the satnav, I couldn't keep up with the 700 expectation, and over 30 miles lost a couple of minutes. It looks like the planning speed for motorways is about 74mph. (could be 120kph)
Bottom line is you are likely to arrive earlier than originally estimated if your journey does not include motorways, but later than estimated if it does, especially if the traffic stops you cruising right on the limit.
Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Tom tom route options
TomDavison wrote:
It looks like the planning speed for motorways is about 74mph. (could be 120kph)
On the TomTom One if you plan a journey and then use the route demo function it shows you on the screen what speeds it thinks you'll be doing on all its chosen roads. I'm sure I did see it flag up a maximum of 74 when it was demoing a motorway section of a planned route.
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Bedford, England
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Tom tom route options
Oldboy wrote:
TomDavison wrote:
It looks like the planning speed for motorways is about 74mph.
On Motorway and National Speed Limit Dual Carriageways TT uses 62mph to calculate.
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Didn't seem so to me. I joined the motorway and set cruise at 70mph indicated on the satnav. After 30 miles, my arrival time had extended by 2 mins. It seemed clear that the arrival was based on me driving faster than 70. If it had assumed 62mph, driving at 70 would have reduced my arrival time, not increased it.
Joined: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 10644 Location: Suffolk, UK
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Tom tom route options
TomDavison wrote:
Didn't seem so to me. I joined the motorway and set cruise at 70mph indicated on the satnav. After 30 miles, my arrival time had extended by 2 mins. It seemed clear that the arrival was based on me driving faster than 70. If it had assumed 62mph, driving at 70 would have reduced my arrival time, not increased it.
I travelled from Birmingham to the other side of Glasgow and where possible the cruise was set for 62mph. Each time it was spot on.
Coming back using a different route, still mainly Motorway and A Dual Carriageway the results were the same. _________________ Richard
TT 910 V7.903: Europe Map v1045
TT Via 135 App 12.075: Europe Map v1145
I find it almost spooky how close the original estimated time of journey, immediately after you input a route, is to the final result. Doesn't seem to matter if you're stuck in a half hour jam or sail straight through 8)
As for the speed display on the satnav, I like to use this to cruise past a Traffic car at a speedo reading of 80, knowing that it's actually more like 71/72 I guess the other drivers keeping up with me are either hoping that I'm the one to get pulled, or have TTs as well...
Incidentally, not all speedos are actually 10% over: Toyotas are a good 10%, Hondas are almost spot-on accurate, while Mercs are somewhere between. None is under the true speed.
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Bedford, England
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:32 am Post subject:
mmman wrote:
I find it almost spooky how close the original estimated time of journey, immediately after you input a route, is to the final result. Doesn't seem to matter if you're stuck in a half hour jam or sail straight through 8)
As for the speed display on the satnav, I like to use this to cruise past a Traffic car at a speedo reading of 80, knowing that it's actually more like 71/72 I guess the other drivers keeping up with me are either hoping that I'm the one to get pulled, or have TTs as well...
Incidentally, not all speedos are actually 10% over: Toyotas are a good 10%, Hondas are almost spot-on accurate, while Mercs are somewhere between. None is under the true speed.
That's because it's legal to be up to 10% over the true speed, but illegal if the speedo underreads by any amount. That way you can't blame instrument error for exceeding the limit. You speedo must have shown a reading greater than the limit if you are caught speeding.
Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 581 Location: Medway Towns, Kent
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject:
I've always been under the impression that the ETA function was dynamic, if you slow down the time increases and if you speed up it decreases and when you are 1 minute away from work it should be almost exact. :D
Joined: 30/03/2003 17:56:49 Posts: 120 Location: Dorset, UK
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject:
I believe it uses fixed MPH as previously stated but will recalculate based on the distance remaining to your destination. It therefore will be more acurate the closer you get.
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Bedford, England
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:53 am Post subject:
There seems to be a little confusion here, so hopefully, I can explain better.
Lets say that you plan a 60 mile journey, and tomtom assumes you are going to drive at 60mph. You set out at midday, so your arrival time is listed as 1pm. If you actually drive at 70mph, after half an hour, you will have covered 35 miles. Tom Tom still assumes you will drive the rest of the way at 60mph, so by now your arrival time should be 12.55. (25 miles remaining at 60mph)
If you had driven at 50mph, you would by now have covered 25 miles. Tom tom will assume you drive the remaining 35 miles at 60mph, so your arrival time will indicate 13.05
After 59 miles of your journey, at 70, it will now be 12.51 and you will get an arrival time of 12.52 (one mile to go at 60mph). If you had driven 59 miles at 50 mph, the time would now be 13.11, and your tomtom would show an arrival time of 13.12 (one mile to go at 60mph)
So the arrival time is refined throughout the journey, and gets more accurate the closer you are to your destination.
What we don't know, are the speeds that tomtom is using to calculate your eta. However, if you drive at a steady speed, and your eta doesn't change, you must be driving at the speed that the TT expects. If your arrival time gets earlier, you are driving faster than TT is planning, and if your time gets later, you are driving slower.
What I had pointed out is that with my speed at 70mph on the satnav, over a 30 mile distance, my ETA was extended by 2 minutes. So I was driving about 4mph slower than the TT had expected. This indicates that the TT assumes that on motorways I would be driving at about 74mph.
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