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socaman Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: Mobile Camera detection with Garmin i3 |
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Hi I Have a Garmin streetpilot i3 purchased from Maplin's Complete with a C.D. containing P.O.I.'s which i installed successfully. everything seems to be working as it should , however one day when driving through canford Cliffs Village I was warned of a speed camera up ahead i noticed that the red warning message across the screen was there across the top of the screen but no audible sounds that seem to occur if you are appoaching a camera to fast, i say this as about ten days later i receive a speeding offence ticket , i am pretty sure i wasn't speeding but the first ticket had me going in the opposite direction but two weeks later i got another letter saying there had been a clerical error and on this one the direction i was travelling was correctly stated. I went back to the area that this mobile camera was stationed and the garmin didn't pick up a thing, the camera not being there at that time , so am i right in assuming that the camera has to be in place and in operation to be detected or is it just the position's that are shown and in that case how did it pick it up on the day ( Pinecliff road - Western Road Junction, canford cliffs, Poole Dorset ) any thoughts on this please. |
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timber Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 422 Location: Wild and Windy SW Scotland UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Mobile Camera detection with Garmin i3 |
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socaman wrote: | Hi I Have a Garmin streetpilot i3 purchased from Maplin's Complete with a C.D. containing P.O.I.'s which i installed successfully. everything seems to be working as it should , however one day when driving through canford Cliffs Village I was warned of a speed camera up ahead i noticed that the red warning message across the screen was there across the top of the screen but no audible sounds that seem to occur if you are appoaching a camera to fast, i say this as about ten days later i receive a speeding offence ticket , i am pretty sure i wasn't speeding but the first ticket had me going in the opposite direction but two weeks later i got another letter saying there had been a clerical error and on this one the direction i was travelling was correctly stated. I went back to the area that this mobile camera was stationed and the garmin didn't pick up a thing, the camera not being there at that time , so am i right in assuming that the camera has to be in place and in operation to be detected or is it just the position's that are shown and in that case how did it pick it up on the day ( Pinecliff road - Western Road Junction, canford cliffs, Poole Dorset ) any thoughts on this please. |
The mobile speed camera is MOBILE:14917@30 which is set at 30 mph.
The camera positions are recorded the unit responds to these it does not know if a van or any type of camera is actually present at the time.
What is the setting for this particular camera on your camera data base and who supplies it (is it a pocketgps release )
What software release are you using hope its not 2.90 as this may be a reason for what has happend
For the warning message to have occurred suggests that you were close to or may have been over the 30 mph speed limit ( you may have been caught at this point) but then fell below which avoided the unit giving a continuous alarm.
Exactly what speed have you been recorded at also is there photo evidence.
Provide as much detail as possible so that the forum members can advise.
To recap:
Which software release are you using
Who supplies the camera data base.
What is the setting for the camera.
What mode was the gps in, was it WAAS / EGNOS
What was the camera recorded speed
Photo evidence |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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and just to clarify.
Quote: | so am i right in assuming that the camera has to be in place and in operation to be detected or is it just the position's that are shown |
The i3 can't DETECT a thing. It just knows locations from the database and will alert you if the camera is there or not.
Can i also ask did you update the database between visits? |
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Aitch2 Regular Visitor
Joined: Jan 22, 2006 Posts: 226 Location: South Coast, UK
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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PaulB2005 wrote: | The i3 can't DETECT a thing. |
Apart from its own location...
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Lester_Burnham Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Aitch2 wrote: | PaulB2005 wrote: | The i3 can't DETECT a thing. |
Apart from its own location... |
...and the time, and by computation, speed and vector being travelled (if any), and the relationship between the location detected, and the position on the mapping provided, and if necessary - also by computation - the proximity to any POIs that are loaded with proximity alerts.
But apart from that, what have the Romans done for use... ;-)
Paul is right to point out the detection thing for cameras, though - perhaps some newbs might not necessarily understand that. |
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socaman Occasional Visitor
Joined: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: re:- just to recap |
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The software release i'm using is 2.70
audio version is 2.00
the camera data base is from a c.d. that was bundled with the unit from Maplin's electronics, which included Pocketgpsworld.com - safety camera database, garmin p.o.i. loader and a garmin v2.5 firmware update
The mode the gps was in was - normal
the camera recorded speed was 39 mph
yes they say photo evidence
The setting for the camera
and ref updating the database between visits, i hadn't.
also this morning i was comparing digital speed to my speedo and while doing 30mph the 3i unit is clocking 26mph my car is a 1989 vauxhall cavalier so the speedo would be expected to be slow i suppose. |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Lester forgot the i3 can also detect low batteries.
"Bloody Romans"
Quote: | while doing 30mph the 3i unit is clocking 26mph my car is a 1989 vauxhall cavalier so the speedo would be expected to be slow i suppose. |
All car speedos are out by around 5-10%. Better that it reads under and not over! |
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Lester_Burnham Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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PaulB2005 wrote: | Lester forgot the i3 can also detect low batteries. |
Indeed I did - well spotted.
PaulB2005 wrote: | "Bloody Romans" |
:-))) |
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matb Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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i dont want to be a stick in the mud but there are too many people now driving their cars in accordance with the camera database and sat nav instructions.
this, on face value, is a good example, now lets learn by it.
the manner in which you drive and the speed at which you drive is left completely up to you, so to look elsewhere for a blame, such as the database is unacceptable.
driving is a priviledge not a right and can be removed quicker than it took to get your licence.
as with all aspects of sat nav usage common sense is the key. leaving yourself open to other offences because "it never told me or it told me to late," will get you a day out at court.
on the other side of things you are entitled to see all evidence prior to entering your plea, as you are to seek legal advice prior to making that decision. |
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galaxy111 Occasional Visitor
Joined: Mar 01, 2006 Posts: 42 Location: Cheshire, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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I agree totally with Mat's comments. As far as national speed limits are concerned (urban areas), we should all be using common sense, observation and driving in accordance with the road signs, not waiting for the GPS to give us instructions on whether we need to slow down or not. |
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Ash10 Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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matb wrote: | the manner in which you drive and the speed at which you drive is left completely up to you, so to look elsewhere for a blame, such as the database is unacceptable. |
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rjbsec Lifetime Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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matb wrote: | i dont want to be a stick in the mud but there are too many people now driving their cars in accordance with the camera database and sat nav instructions.
this, on face value, is a good example, now lets learn by it.
the manner in which you drive and the speed at which you drive is left completely up to you, so to look elsewhere for a blame, such as the database is unacceptable.
driving is a priviledge not a right and can be removed quicker than it took to get your licence.
as with all aspects of sat nav usage common sense is the key. leaving yourself open to other offences because "it never told me or it told me to late," will get you a day out at court.
on the other side of things you are entitled to see all evidence prior to entering your plea, as you are to seek legal advice prior to making that decision. |
I don't think that driving today is either a privilege or a right, but rather for most people a necessity. Your point is valid just the same though. It has become all too easy to lose your licence and possibly thereby your livelihood, so trusting your livelihood to £100 of pcb is a bit silly - the eye and the brain are much better indicators.
Personally I enjoy ignoring the i3 to make my own decisions - I swear that she gets grumpy after she's said "Re-calculating" 3 or 4 times and sometimes she sulks and doesn't speak to me for a while - come to think of it the i3 makes me feel quite at home when I'm in my car. |
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