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DennisN
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| Darren wrote: | | At the end of the day, would you rather see more speed cameras or more Police Officers and mobile ANPR stings? |
No brainer - more police and ANPR!
| Darren wrote: | | As for TV's, did you know retailers who sell TV's and other devices that contain TV Tuners are required to submit a form to TV Licencing with the purchasers details? |
That's the form I was referring to (they hand it to you to complete as you pay for whatever), which I filled in absolutely honestly and accurately, unlike dodgy cheap students!
| MaFt wrote: | | when you get your insurance then the registered keeper must be named - this is far more traceable than the tv-license method |
Sort of like the guy who deals in scrap metal and does tarmac drives as a sideline? More police and ANPR, stop, seize, crush - zero tolerance!
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Darren
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| DennisN wrote: | | Sort of like the guy who deals in scrap metal and does tarmac drives as a sideline? More police and ANPR, stop, seize, crush - zero tolerance! |
Ah yes, now yer talking!
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Andy_P
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| MaFt wrote: |
when i was a dodgy, cheap student buying a VCR i just gave them my mum and dad's address for the license... |
Don't let Dennis hear.... He'll be round to crush your Telly!  |
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RobBrady
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"Mark Field MP calls on councils to stop funding speed cameras."
A couple of minutes of video here.
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DennisN
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It's a shame he chose to do a piece to camera whilst driving!!
Reminds me - these databases. As a simple soul, I like to watch the cops and baddies programmes on telly and it always strikes me as inconsistent that the cops will issue a "Producer" requiring a driver to produce licence, insurance and MOT within 7 days, whilst on the same programme, the cop gets on the horn back to base to check and discovers that the driver doesn't have licence, insurance, MOT. For the driver who does have all those recorded on a database, why issue a Producer unless it's to somewhat hassle the driver? My van doesn't need MOT and I carry a photocopy of my insurance certificate and driving licence (mostly to show potential customers, but they cover the above circumstance too).
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Darren
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| DennisN wrote: | | As a simple soul, I like to watch the cops and baddies programmes on telly and it always strikes me as inconsistent that the cops will issue a "Producer" requiring a driver to produce licence, insurance and MOT within 7 days, whilst on the same programme, the cop gets on the horn back to base to check and discovers that the driver doesn't have licence, insurance, MOT. |
It's my understanding that the 'producers' or HORT/1's as they are(were) known are rarely issued these days.
It was all too easy to obtain an insurance certificate to produce then cancel it or produce a forgery. Nowadays most details can be confirmed road-side.
If information is available that suggests an offence has been committed then a ticket will be issued for that offence there and then. As you will have seen, many forces now seize vehicles where certain offences are disclosed, the more the merrier.
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JockTamsonsBairn
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| RobBrady wrote: | "Mark Field MP calls on councils to stop funding speed cameras."
A couple of minutes of video here. |
Is that the original article, or a 2nd one? I can't see iPlayer, cos I'm out of the UK (I can switch the TV on in my hotel room and watch BBC), but I can see that article.
If it isn't raining in his car, why has he got his coat on?
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Darren
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We all support the increased use of ANPR. However, another news item last night revealed that Dorset Police who use ANPR in their traffic cars are so under manned that they were unable to act on the majority of 'hits' from their systems and so many serious offences were not dealt with!
Of course. Speed cameras make money, they are relatively cheap to implement and cover their costs very quickly. Police Officers are expensive and catching uninsured, unlicensed drivers in dangerous un-tested vehicles does not add money to the coffers.
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Andy_P
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Ah well..... a pay cut for coppers would solve that! 
(I'm off out now!) |
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Darren
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| Andy_P wrote: | Ah well..... a pay cut for coppers would solve that!
(I'm off out now!) |
Not by car I hope, I've got some Met contacts
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classy56
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Darren wrote: | We all support the increased use of ANPR. However, another news item last night revealed that Dorset Police who use ANPR in their traffic cars are so under manned that they were unable to act on the majority of 'hits' from their systems and so many serious offences were not dealt with!
Of course. Speed cameras make money, they are relatively cheap to implement and cover their costs very quickly. Police Officers are expensive and catching uninsured, unlicensed drivers in dangerous un-tested vehicles does not add money to the coffers. |
There are Police in Dorset?
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| Just read DennisN's post about the cops and baddies progs on telly and it reminded me of one I watched the other night when a motorway patrol(civilian) informed the police of someone who had run out of petrol and smelled like he had been drinking. The police then waited down the road to see if he drove past them so that they could stop and b-test him. Surely that is allowing a crime to be committed and as such was wrong. |
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| theripper wrote: | | ...a motorway patrol(civilian) informed the police of someone who had run out of petrol and smelled like he had been drinking. The police then waited down the road to see if he drove past them... |
Hmm... not the brightest policeperson then  
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Darren
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| theripper wrote: | | reminded me of one I watched the other night when a motorway patrol(civilian) informed the police of someone who had run out of petrol and smelled like he had been drinking. The police then waited down the road to see if he drove past them so that they could stop and b-test him. Surely that is allowing a crime to be committed and as such was wrong. |
Nope. You have to have a reasonable suspicion before you can stop someone, the opinion of someone else who is not a Police Officer would not be deemed reasonable.
You will note they followed until they had cause to stop the driver, in this case they suspected he was not wearing his seatbelt.
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theripper
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| Would it not have been better to stop on the pretext of ensuring that he was ok, then they could have prevented a crime which is what I thought the were there for ie To prevent crime and detect when a crime occurs. |
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