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Skippy
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 Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: What are the "rules" for selling maps? |
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| Noobiest wrote: | I may just sell my current TT with the Europe maps when I leave the UK and buy a new unit in Canada.
Or can I just sell the Europe map? |
I'm not a lawyer but here's my opinion:
1. You can sell unused maps on their own if you have never activated/used them.
2. If you have activated/used any of the maps then they belong to the TT unit but you are free to sell the unit along with it's maps.
All that said, TT can't stop you doing whatever you like with the unit...
| Noobiest wrote: | | Wow.... I see there is a stagnating can o' worms here..... |
You opened it! 
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LesP2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Skippy but it's not right now is it?.
Seriously though, i dont want to upset anyone here but at the end of the day these threads always degenerate into things of self opininion. As Andy says, the OP posted a question looking for some guidance, which no one can seem to do as, in truth we don't honestly know 100% legally, morally or whatever.
Noobiest do as you see fit buddy, just don't say anything on here. |
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thebinman
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote from TT illegal products:-
When someone purchases a TomTom integrated device they receive:
1 device (the TomTom unit)
1 license to use the software (which is embodied in the produce code)
And a SD card containing the software.
If you sell a TomTom SD card (including software) without an accompanying license then this is an infringing copy.
If you sell a TomTom with a replacement SD card and the Product code this is fine … but you can not then resell the original SD card as it contains software and does not have an accompanying license. |
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Andy_P
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| thebinman wrote: |
If you sell a TomTom SD card (including software) without an accompanying license then this is an infringing copy. |
So, it looks like so long as it is the original SD card/DVD and it is supplied with the Product code card AND it has been deleted from any machine he owns, that should be OK.
In order to ease any possible problems for the purchaser later, maybe it would be wise to also pass on any original proof of purchase and a note to say ownership has been transferred (sounds like we need the eqivalent of a vehicle registration document!) |
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TomDavison
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| rkm_hm wrote: | | TomDavison wrote: | | If you read again, what he actually said |
No - you re-read everything he actually said, and not just selective quotes! Even though it seems most likely that he would sell the device and map together - which wouldn't be a problem, he was also considering the option of selling just the Europe map. That was what I was commenting on. |
Hate to be pedantic, but if you read my next post, which would have been included in the one you quote, if this site had an edit facility, I do comment on him selling the European map SD card separately. |
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TomDavison
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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The biggest flaw is an illegal procedure that it is in theory possible, albeit contrary to the EULA,
Buy a TomTom device with a pre-activated card, for expensive maps. Then using copy/paste, create a back-up onto a separate SD card. Then sell the device with the back-up card on it, and keep the original. Buy a cheap regional device, and make another copy of the expensive maps onto an SD card. Sell this and keep the original. And so on. This is what seems to be happening with some of the scams on E-Bay, and for the life of me, I can't see how the copy protection would stop it.
Can anyone shed light? |
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rkm_hm
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Andy_P2002 wrote: | | So, it looks like so long as it is the original SD card/DVD and it is supplied with the Product code card AND it has been deleted from any machine he owns, that should be OK. |
There lies the rub. I'm not sure that you can delete it from your device in a way which will satisfy TT.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of the mechanics is as follows:
A device has a unique Device Code.
Each instance of each map (or group of maps for European countries etc.) has a unique Product Code.
Before a map will work with a device, it has to be given an Activation Code. This code is issued by TT when you tell them the Device Code and the Product Code. ** TT will store information in their database indicating that 'that' map is registered to 'that' device.
Once activated, a map will only work with the device to which it is registered. If you transfer it to a different device, you will be asked for an Activation Code - which you won't be able to get because TT know that the map is already registered to the original device.
So, it seems to me that if you are going to be able to pass the map on to someone else, and if that someone else is going to be able to use it in his/her own device, you've somehow got to get TT to de-register it from your device. They may not be anxious to do that because there is nothing physically to stop you from retaining an activated copy which will continue to work in your device, in violation of the licence.
** When you buy a map with a device, the map comes pre-activated for that device
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Andy_P
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Can't remember the exact details, but IIRC you can re-activate a map on a different device after 7 days, again after 6 months and again after another 6 months |
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thebinman
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Andy_P2002 wrote: | | Can't remember the exact details, but IIRC you can re-activate a map on a different device after 7 days, again after 6 months and again after another 6 months |
correctomundo!
What you can't do is register the map for update notification etc IF it's been registered before (as opposed to activated) before. |
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46jimbo
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Once activated, a map will only work with the device to which it is registered. If you transfer it to a different device, you will be asked for an Activation Code - which you won't be able to get because TT know that the map is already registered to the original device. |
I have an actual example to show that this isn't the case. My TT Classic got dropped and died. But I had also purchased Maps of Western Europe for it and wanted to continue using them.
I bought a new TT ONE v1 and found that I could successfully obtain a new activation code for my maps for that unit. And yes, it had been over 6 months since they were first activated.
I find it perfectly normal that one would want to be able to continue using previously purchased maps when one changes or upgrades the GPS device. |
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Darren
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It's a minefield but I'll ask TomTom for clarification. AIUI, an unactivated map may be re-sold subject to certain conditions, an activated map may not unless it is installed on a device which forms part of the sale.
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