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Sun Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: Ok, why is everyone buying TomTom & not CoPilot? |
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I've been waiting for the last few months to buy GPS for my SPV C500, at the time TomTom wasn't out for the SPV but now it is. I have read both reviews and my own personal preference would be CoPilot as there are no additional GPRS costs for updates etc and it has that nifty thing where people can track you and send you questions.
What I don't get though is how that forum is now practically dead whereas this one has posts everyday.
So can you guys explain what is attracting you to TomTom over CoPilot, have I missed something?
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ZrednaZ Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm... well for one thing it won't run on my Nokia 6600 - I guess that's the obvious reason
Also I've never seen it in any online shops... Guess it just isn't popular enough to get a good share of the market for these products...
The choice of which one to buy was rather simple in my case... My three options were Wayfinder, Route66 and TomTom Mobile. I didn't want to be dependent on GPRS coverage, thus ruling out Wayfinder.
This left me with Route66 and TomTom, so I checked out their websites. Turned out that Route66's Danish website was translated very, very poorly, and I can't bring myself to take a company like that seriously. Also I couldn't seem to find Wayfinder or Route66 in any online stores. These elements combined made TomTom the natural choice...
(not that I've actually bought it yet, I'm getting it next week) |
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lbendlin Pocket GPS Staff


Joined: 02/11/2002 22:41:59 Posts: 11878 Location: Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Copilot is less controversial than TomTom - that's why the forum there is quieter. CoPilot Smartphone just works... _________________ Lutz
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gstenson Frequent Visitor

Joined: 23/10/2002 09:53:59 Posts: 267 Location: Lincolnshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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A number of my work colleagues are very disappointed with CoPilot and after seeing my TTM want to buy it instead. _________________ Audi S4
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Sun Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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I guess it could be that copilot has less issues, you could be right there.
Gstenson I'm curious to know what your colleagues feel is better about TT and why you chose TT yourself. |
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier


Joined: 24/06/2003 00:22:12 Posts: 2946 Location: Escaped to the Antipodies! 36.83°S 174.75°E
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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lbendlin wrote: | CoPilot Smartphone just works... |
No it does not!
CoPilot Smartphone crashes when trying to calculate routes (out of memory), chooses bizzare routes and has a lot of other bugs. It is NOT fit for use as a street navigation program. _________________ Gone fishing! |
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babybob Occasional Visitor

Joined: Nov 27, 2004 Posts: 33 Location: uk
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Here's my two cents
1) TomTom has more users, therefore more people posting
2) TomTom seems to have a stronger developer community and therefore more tools / ideas to discuss, TomTom from what Ive seen have more developer resources which may explain this
3) Its considerably cheaper!
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lbendlin Pocket GPS Staff


Joined: 02/11/2002 22:41:59 Posts: 11878 Location: Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Skippy wrote: | lbendlin wrote: | CoPilot Smartphone just works... |
No it does not!
CoPilot Smartphone crashes when trying to calculate routes (out of memory), chooses bizzare routes and has a lot of other bugs. It is NOT fit for use as a street navigation program. |
Well, this is quote vs quote. Over here (Texas maps) it works fine on a Qtek 8080e. No crashes, no bizarre routes. _________________ Lutz
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gstenson Frequent Visitor

Joined: 23/10/2002 09:53:59 Posts: 267 Location: Lincolnshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Skippy wrote: | lbendlin wrote: | CoPilot Smartphone just works... |
No it does not!
CoPilot Smartphone crashes when trying to calculate routes (out of memory), chooses bizzare routes and has a lot of other bugs. It is NOT fit for use as a street navigation program. |
Thats exactly what my colleagues say. I bought TTM because I have been using TT since v1 days. _________________ Audi S4
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: |
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CoPilot Traffic does incur GPRS costs and will require subscription just as TomTom Mobile does.
Personally I find CoPilot Mobile's interface less intuitive and the application is less stable than TT Mobile. It also requires adjustment of the handset settings to prvent the screen saver appearing when CoPilot is active which is a pain when it is not and the screen does not switch off! TomTom manage to handle this automatically. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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zeroknowledge Occasional Visitor

Joined: Jan 12, 2005 Posts: 10 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Darren wrote: | CoPilot Traffic does incur GPRS costs and will require subscription just as TomTom Mobile does. |
Cost?? Is this just for the traffic update - or have i been completely missing some information??  |
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Darren Frequent Visitor

Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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The traffic upfdates are delivered via GPRS for which there is a cost that your Cellphone Service Provider will bill you as well as a subscription fee payable to the Traffic Data Service Provider to be able to access the updates.
This is exactly the same as TomTom Mobile. _________________ Darren Griffin
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier


Joined: 24/06/2003 00:22:12 Posts: 2946 Location: Escaped to the Antipodies! 36.83°S 174.75°E
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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lbendlin wrote: | Skippy wrote: | lbendlin wrote: | CoPilot Smartphone just works... |
No it does not!
CoPilot Smartphone crashes when trying to calculate routes (out of memory), chooses bizzare routes and has a lot of other bugs. It is NOT fit for use as a street navigation program. |
Well, this is quote vs quote. Over here (Texas maps) it works fine on a Qtek 8080e. No crashes, no bizarre routes. |
OK, fair enough - I am using a different phone (Orange C500) and UK maps.
I wonder if the problems with CP Smartphone are Phone or Country related then. The silence from ALK about this is deafening.... _________________ Gone fishing! |
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Sun Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Ok, I'm slipping towards TomTom more now as a result of further research and this thread, plus it's cheaper :o
A few Q's
Realistically what kind of GPRS costs are people incurring with the traffic master update?
Is that the only thing GPRS is used for, so if I don't get it I'll be making a single payment for the TT setup and that's it?
CoPIlot gave others the ability to track where you were, your expected etc etc via a url you could publish to them, does TT?
With use of the above, people could send you simple YES/NO Q's to your phone while enroute, can TT?
I've seen TT on GlobalPositiong for £168, is there anywhere cheaper?
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babybob Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Realistically what kind of GPRS costs are people incurring with the traffic master update? |
I dont use it daily, but over Christmas used it quite a lot, it used very little and my total GPRS usage for Dec-Jan was only 1.7Mb
Quote: | Is that the only thing GPRS is used for, so if I don't get it I'll be making a single payment for the TT setup and that's it? |
Yes
Quote: | CoPIlot gave others the ability to track where you were, your expected etc etc via a url you could publish to them, does TT? |
Not currently, but this could be something a third part might right if enough people were interested? Anybody?
Quote: | With use of the above, people could send you simple YES/NO Q's to your phone while enroute, can TT? |
As above.
Quote: | I've seen TT on GlobalPositiong for £168, is there anywhere cheaper? |
No that I've seen, other than occasionaly ebay |
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