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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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What are you running it on? Deep Blue??
If on a TT, then why do other previous posters' TTs take so long?? |
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JoolsTwo Regular Visitor

Joined: Jan 05, 2009 Posts: 170 Location: Mid Sussex
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: |
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just tried the times on mine.
Rochdale-Cambridge = 16 secs
L/End - J O'Groats = 40 sec
London - Dublin = 52 secs
Thought I'd also try L/End - J O'Groats shortest route = 12mins 45 sec
BTW the route it calculated is 811ml and 20:44hrs _________________ TomTom ONE Series 30 (v8) & TMC traffic
App 8.010, UK & ROI Map v860.3126, TT Home 2.7.6.2056
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Robin2 Lifetime Member

Joined: Nov 24, 2003 Posts: 1441 Location: Swansea
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:50 am Post subject: |
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It's intersting that my 720 is significantly slower than my old TT One New Edition, which did the Rochdale-Cambridge calculation in 14 seconds. But of course, the One doesn't have IQ routes.
Robin _________________ TomTom One v3 Europe, Navcore 7.903, Western Europe 835.2420
TomTom Go 720 Europe, Navcore 8.351, Western Europe 855.2884
Satmap Active 10
Plus a lot of other PDA GPS kit, seldom used
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | What are you running it on? Deep Blue??
If on a TT, then why do other previous posters' TTs take so long?? |
Here's what you can expect soon (eat your heart out non-TT owners )
TT Press release
Quote: | For the new platform, TomTom engineers were tasked to design a new routing algorithm that continuously scans the road network for the fastest routes, using these layers of navigation information. This has resulted in a patented super fast routing algorithm that sets new standards in accuracy and speed. |
PGPSW preview
Quote: | The good points are route calculation, it's almost instant, a test 2000km route taking less than a second to calculate and display.
TomTom have achieved this by calculation of every possible route option from all start points to all destinations. This was achieved using a server farm that ran for weeks on end to perform the millions of calculations.
The resulting data has been compressed and the end result is a 1GB data file on the GO 1000 that it uses to produce the extremely fast routes.
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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And you actually believe all the guff that TT publish  |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I might not need to....  |
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pcaouolte Frequent Visitor

Joined: Dec 27, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: South Lincs, UK.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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So, someone closes a road using mapshare and tomtom have to recalculate all the routes from everywhere to everywhere else all over again using their server farm?
If calculating the route from everywhere to everywhere else doesn't seem like an impossible task (it does to me) they must also have calculated it for each of the five minute time slots in a day to take advantage of IQ routes. I wonder how many starting/ending points there are in tomtom's definition of everywhere.
Very clever to wedge all of this info into 1GB of memory. I predict that when the next map is released the 1GB will expand to at least 1.000000000001GB and it wont fit on the device  _________________ Paul |
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Border_Collie Pocket GPS Verifier


Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 2543 Location: Rainham, Kent. England.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure when the new iGO PRIMO will be available here but it looks very interesting. I wonder how long before TT catch up?
LOOK HERE AND DROOL  _________________ Formerly known as Lost_Property
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Antoeknee Lifetime Member

Joined: Jul 29, 2005 Posts: 267
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Am I missing something. Whilst its an interesting topic of discussion in the real world does it matter if a given route takes 45 seconds or 15 seconds to calculate?
The thing needed from a PND is good routing (another topic of discussion?) and if that takes a few seconds more personanlly I can't get worked up about it. |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Here's why it's important....
You have started off on a long journey and you are in the middle of a complicated junction in a strange town.
You make a wrong turn.
Do you make a U-turn in the middle of a busy street (if possible) or will there be a way to correct yourself just up the road. If you carry on, will it make 1 mile difference to the journey or have you just committed yourself to a 20 mile detour?
A quick decision from the sat nav of what to do can make a huge difference. So fast re-routing calculations are very useful.
Same thing happens if you get diverted by roadworks in the middle of town, or if you deliberately decide to take a different route. |
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man


Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with Andy all the way. My iGO takes about two or three seconds to realise that I have diverted from its route, and takes but a few seconds to recalc. Much faster than my built in Honda satnav Although it could be a bit of a pain on a route from London to Rome  |
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Border_Collie Pocket GPS Verifier


Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 2543 Location: Rainham, Kent. England.
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Although it could be a bit of a pain on a route from London to Rome |
I don't think so M8TJT, whilst on a trip coming home from France (Brillon, the other side of Lille), I approached a roundabout and it said 'take 2nd exit', which I did. Within seconds it said 'make a U Turn'. Which I couldn't because it was a narrow road with ditches either side. I found a place to turn round and headed back to the roundabout to be greeted with 'take 4th exit, which was back to the road I'd just done my 'U-Turn'. Confused I carried on but this time no instruction for 'U-Turn'. No idea what caused the hiccup but the re-routing was virtually instant. Strange thing, I've travelled that way 2 or 3 times since and no problem. _________________ Formerly known as Lost_Property
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Antoeknee Lifetime Member

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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OK I take the point about recalcualting a route whilst travelling. My now rather ancient TT500 seems to recalculate fairly quickly. In fact I can't recall a time where the recalc has been a specific issue.
I've navigated in and around some city centres and not really thought there was a specific issue with recalc. Maybe its my poor recollection but it seems that once the original route has been calcuated, usually longest step, any recalc whilst traveling takes only a few seconds and I'd say far less than 10. |
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hornist Regular Visitor

Joined: 03/08/2003 19:11:42 Posts: 64 Location: Trowbridge, United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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I had a go at doing a bit of benchmarking myself.
GO750 with Europe_2GB map.
First tests were running everything off the internal memory. Then I moved the map folder (only) from the internal memory to a fairly cheap 4GB Class 6 SD card (Transcend).
My test route was from my home in Antibes in the South of France to Utrecht in Holland (just somewhere that I had in my favourites that give a reasonably taxing route plan). I timed the TomTom up to the point where the motorway toll question appeared (i.e. it had planned an initial route involving toll motorways) then told it to avoid tolls and timed the replan.
Not hugely scientific tests, but I did run each one at least twice in order to check consistency.
Initial route - internal memory c. 1'32"
Initial route - storage card c. 1'52" (22% longer)
Replan no tolls - internal memory c. 1'56"
Replan no tolls - storage card c. 2'28" (27% longer)
I was disappointed in these results. I was hoping to use the memory card so that I could upgrade my maps and have the single Europe map. I can't be bothered with segmented maps, so with this speed degradation in using the card I don't think I'll bothering about upgrading my maps until I really have to. |
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DennisN Tired Old Man


Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14907 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Antoeknee wrote: | OK I take the point about recalcualting a route whilst travelling. My now rather ancient TT500 seems to recalculate fairly quickly. In fact I can't recall a time where the recalc has been a specific issue. |
Ah well, you've got a GO 500, the last reasonable range they made!! Most other people have to make do with x10, x20, x30, x40 and x50 ranges which have (by new releases) exponentially improved to the point of taking 45 seconds to calculate Rochdale to Cambridge!!
My GO 550 took 45 seconds, gave a result of 177 miles, 3:01 hours journey time on the UK&ROI map v850.
My GO 700 took under 25 seconds, same 177 miles, 3:08 hours, Western & Central Europe map 675. _________________ Dennis
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