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gem makes a good point; high percentages of airline flights depart and arrive roughly on time and are uneventful. The Airline TV documentary mentioned by another poster would be very boring if it showed the reality of things working correctly most of the time. The problems can start when things occasionally do go awry.
The UK seems to have a love-hate relationship with low-cost airlines. We love the low fares but hate the lack of customer service, charging for everything above and beyond a seat etc etc. However, we cannot have it both ways and, like it or not, it's the cost-cutting measures which enable the low fares; running an airline is expensive.
Some people (no-one on this thread!) also have a sense of 'entitlement' and get demanding when dealing with airlines and should understand that an airline ticket is just a vague promise to get you from A to B at some point. If you are going to some really, really important event then you should at least think about a backup plan to get you there. Also, with the exception of some of the recent Euro compensation laws, airlines aren't obliged to do very much for you when things go wrong. Most will help, but they don't have to.
Having said all that, what Mike went through sounds horrible and could have been made better by EasyJet communicating with its customers. The outcome may not have changed, but many customer service situations can be helped by good communication.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:16 am Post subject:
i've personally not had any issue with easyjet and have found them very helpful particularly when i was rather suddenly ill as we boarded one time last year!!
however, regardless of what you pay it should be easy to contact a company either by phone or email (preferably NOT automated!!) and it would only be courteous to explain what is happening when 2,000 passengers are left sat around waiting to take off!
imagine the uproar if it got to a normal wednesday and there was no camera database release (there isn't one today, by the way, but this has been previously published!) and the 4 of us didn't reply to any forum queries or support requests about it? this would be a tiny team of 4 failing to deal with a few thousand users compared to how ever many hundreds of easyjet support team not dealing with with 2,000 users...
there's a big difference here! in my opinion the 'budget' part of budget airlines refers to the flight experience itself i.e. no free meal, pay extra for hold luggage - literally just a flight. whether it's an airline, a bus company or a local restaurant then customer service should always be priority and anything that is 'not normal' in the proceedings (such as 9 flights sat about waiting for something to happen with all the passengers none-the-wiser after already being delayed 6 or so hours) should be explained to the paying customers who have a right to know why the service paid for is not being provided!
Try the train and I'm not joking! Some friends were going down to Aix en Provence from Kent (though this may apply from other places) and it was going to be quicker (door to door) and cheaper to go Eurostar to Paris and TGV onwards plus they arrived in Aix not Marseilles.
Joined: Nov 07, 2004 Posts: 141 Location: Stockport
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject:
I’ve worked in UK aviation for nearly 20 years, as a service provider my job depends on the airlines being successful, it is cause of great concern (though not in anyway surprising) to read this account. Mike talks about the ripple effect of an incident like this, taking a wider view then those ripples impact me because this can put people off flying! No passengers, means no flights means no service required … and it is hitting this industry hard
The lack of lines of communication to businesses these days is getting worse, the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair have a very high profile so attract lots of comment but there is a general trend by lots of customer facing businesses to make it as difficult as possible to contact a real person.
Reading the account of this event one thing that springs to mind is that it just got too late to despatch the flight from the UK. If they were relying on having the plane back in the UK for an early morning departure the following day and it looked like it wasn’t going to get back then they may well hold it back so the plane is in the right place for the start of schedules the next day. This will not be admitted officially but you can find people in the industry who will admit that it goes.
I love flying but hate the airport experience as a passenger. My job takes me to some 25 airports around the UK, my preferred mode of transport … the car (with my trusty satnav + pocketGPS database)
The only way to get things changed with regards to customer service is to do exactly what Mike has done which is publicise, in very factual and unemotional way, exactly what went on and let others make up their own mind. If you just happen to have access to a high profile website seen by 1000’s of people then so much the better.
As an example of good customer service from my own experience I would say that Tesco Mobile seem to have got it right. An easily contactable UK based (North Manchester) call centre staffed by people who appear to want to help…
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:02 am Post subject: Re: Easyjet show how not to do Customer Service
News Team wrote:
In an ideal world everything would go to plan and work smoothly. In the real world things are somewhat different.
I'm really sorry to hear your flight got cancelled, I know from bitter experience that it's really hard to take. The way things seem to work these days is that when things go wrong the airline disowns the passengers and leaves it up to the airport to sort them out.
Make sure you get your compensation you are due under REGULATION (EC) No 261/2004. Don't bother phoning them, you might as well talk to a brick wall. Put in a businesslike claim in writing. They will pay up what they are required to pay.
News Team wrote:
What I do find particularly insulting is that Easyjet didn't even try to get someone to Gatwick with authority and knowledge to talk to us.
But I've got a bit of a rant of my own...
Honestly, would it have really helped much if someone from easyJet came out to say sorry? No one was going anywhere that night. The system broke down and there ain't anything that anyone can do about it. If an easyJet rep was there then they would just have 2000 angry passengers wanting to lynch them or to tell them their own personal sob story, demand an apology, hotel, taxi, private jet, pound of flesh etc.
I've helped co-ordinate major customer service incidents (not airline related) and I can tell you there's not much point ranting at the poor people you get through to or the front line staff - by the time they've read through or listened to a few thousand rants they don't care. The amusing or very angry ones brighten up their day but the vast majority of people are surprisingly stoic about it.
All the flights were booked for days to come so it's bad luck for those on the cancelled flights. easyJet can't pluck a new plane out of thin air. They can't bump passengers off the next flight either because that just upsets even more people.
If the ground handling agents at the airport can't cope with the incident then it's the airport that should be sorting their act out. Airlines run aircraft, ground handlers run airports. They are the ones who left your bags out in the rain, not easyJet.
News Team wrote:
I know for sure that in future I will not fly Easyjet unless I absolutely have to, and also that I will advise everyone I know to avoid them
Sure, you'll pay double to fly with BA and they will go on strike, then lose your bags. Or Eurostar and they'll get stuck in the tunnel. Or Ryanair and they'll just annoy the hell out of everyone.... Choose your poison.
Or maybe we should go back to the bad old days where you would be paying ~500 quid for a flight to Barcelona in a half empty plane so if things went wrong they could just shuffle some passengers around.
Sod that, I fly all the time to places that I could never have dreamed of going to before the cheapo airlines broke the mould. Sometimes things go wrong in a spectacular way, that's the price we pay. But don't think that they didn't used to go wrong even when we paid a fortune for our flights. _________________ Gone fishing!
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