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johntd Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: S90i |
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Do's having the full camera database on the unit cause problems? |
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yes sadly, this is stated in the compatibility table on the download page:
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xtraseller Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: Database |
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The Navman included speed camera database is very comprehensive and accurate, directional and speed sensitive. Thats for FIXED cameras though, and their mobile coverage is sparse
I use that and then add PGPSW database Mobile only (its easy to add them alone) and it works very well indeed |
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DaveMatthews Regular Visitor

Joined: Dec 25, 2004 Posts: 221
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Database |
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xtraseller wrote: | The Navman included speed camera database is very comprehensive and accurate, directional and speed sensitive. |
Hmmm... in my experience the directional aspect is anything but accurate - at least 50 percent are wrong.
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xtraseller Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Areas |
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Obviously drive in different areas than myself, as I find their static coverage near perfect |
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Areas |
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xtraseller wrote: | Obviously drive in different areas than myself, as I find their static coverage near perfect |
Which is like saying, '"my bullet proof leg protectors are perfect" when it's the head/chest shot that will get you!
It's Mobile cameras that will most likely catch you out. Without a mobile database what's the point? And I know you use ours but for others that don't they have invested in a camera database from Navman that is crippled by having no mobiles.
It makes little difference how accurate their fixed coverage is if they don't have mobiles. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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xtraseller Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Read the posts |
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Obviously you need both, and their database comes with the unit (fixed are not changed that often, so maybe someone wouldn't need to subscribe to that) and use PGPSW database for the mobiles (chargeable)
If you read the posts I said,
Quote: | The Navman included speed camera database is very comprehensive and accurate, directional and speed sensitive. Thats for FIXED cameras though, and their mobile coverage is sparse
I use that and then add PGPSW database Mobile only (its easy to add them alone) and it works very well indeed |
Indeed, it may be more use if your database advise for Navman S Series users was maintain their built-in fixed database (which has SOME mobiles) and use only the PGPSW Mobile database. This works. Very well |
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Read the posts |
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xtraseller wrote: | Indeed, it may be more use if your database advise for Navman S Series users was maintain their built-in fixed database (which has SOME mobiles) and use only the PGPSW Mobile database. This works. Very well |
Indeed, I'll add that as an advisory, it'll be interesting to see if Mio fix the POI limit or retain it as a useful tool to ensure customers are forced to choose their camera data.
Not sure about fixed cameras not changing often, I think our Db Admin would beg to differ there! _________________ Darren Griffin |
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xtraseller Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: Cameras |
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The new mio software has live POIs so I am sure they have at least done some work on that side of things - we will have to wait and see. They've improved multi-point routing too in the forthcoming edition. I don't think the limit is imposed to sell their camera database (though it does that by default), it simply poor implementation of their custom POI system |
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Darren Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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xtraseller, what's happened to your avtar?
Just a quick note to say I have amended our compatibility table:
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xtraseller Frequent Visitor

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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: Avatar |
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Don't know, been like it for a while. Fixed now though, thanks Darren |
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PaulRS Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | It's Mobile cameras that will most likely catch you out. Without a mobile database what's the point? And I know you use ours but for others that don't they have invested in a camera database from Navman that is crippled by having no mobiles. |
Yes, very annoying if you've taken a subscription out. I have emailed Navman with the following.
Quote: | I have a three year subscription for Speed Camera updates but these are incomplete in that there are no Mobile Camera locations. The category does exist but is empty.
Can you explain:-
1) Why this is
2) When this will be provided
3) What refund/ subscription extension will you be providing to mitigate this.
Many thanks
Paul |
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57squadron Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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PaulRS wrote: | Quote: | It's Mobile cameras that will most likely catch you out. Without a mobile database what's the point? And I know you use ours but for others that don't they have invested in a camera database from Navman that is crippled by having no mobiles. |
Yes, very annoying if you've taken a subscription out. I have emailed Navman with the following.
Quote: | I have a three year subscription for Speed Camera updates but these are incomplete in that there are no Mobile Camera locations. The category does exist but is empty.
Can you explain:-
1) Why this is
2) When this will be provided
3) What refund/ subscription extension will you be providing to mitigate this.
Many thanks
Paul |
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xtraseller Frequent Visitor

Joined: 15/07/2003 22:59:27 Posts: 1050 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Roadpilot |
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Navman have recently updated their speedcamera website graphic to diusplay the Roadpilot name, which offers daily updates for their dedicated units, so maybe a change is afoot
In the meantime however, if you want regular updates the PGPSW database is the way to go
I subscribe to both, but would be happier to have regular Navman updates and they are hassle free (ie. no effort involved except connecting my S90 to the computer), where as the PGPSW being a generic database does involve considerable time, if relatively straightforward
However, Navman seem still only able to update their database about once every 2 months which simply isn't good enough considering the price you pay |
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PaulRS Occasional Visitor

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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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57squadron - I have had one response so far which simply asked if I had applied the latest speed camera updates. I replied that I had but have no further response. I will be chasing this in the next couple of days and will post the response.
xtraseller - My original intention was to use the PGPSW database. Unfortunately I didn't research it far enough and it was only after purchasing the unit that I found out about the 12,000 POI limit which, as far as I'm concerned, makes it unusable. Had I known about the limit in advance I would have bought a Michelin instead as their routing algorithms are way ahead of TomTom and Navman. I guess I was saved from buying from a manufacturer that was getting out of the GPS market. |
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