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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator


Joined: Jan 04, 2007 Posts: 2789 Location: Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: Red light camera conundrum |
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I was recently sitting in the front of a queue at a red traffic light when a police car came racing up behind me with blue lights flashing.
In the absence of a red light camera, my natural instinct was to edge forward, making room for the police car to come through and I guess I made the right choice because the driver nodded to thank me.
However, does anybody know what the courts view to be the correct procedure in such circumstances - especially in the presence of a red light camera
Does anybody even know who to contact in order to get an 'official' view on such a scenario? _________________ Andy
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: |
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if i got a 'red light ticket' then i'd be tempted to phone them to ask for a copy of the photo. not to deny it but i'd mention that i believe it was when i moved out of the way of a police car and i want to see if the police car is also on the picture.
to be honest though, i'm not sure how far past the redlight you need to be to trigger them...
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it's a grey area that nobody seems know the answer to.
It also depends how close the car behind is and whether the camera has a clear view of your number plate.
I'm not sure there's a "Tax the motorist" department within the government and a letter to the DOT would probably just get lost. _________________ Andy
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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local camera partnership would probably be the best bet?
i'll email ours and see what they say!
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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response from West Yorkshire Safety Camera Partnership:
Quote: | Difficult to give a full and appropriate answer without either witnessing the incident or viewing photographs of any subsequent detected offence. Best I can suggest is: while it is true that you may have crossed the stop line against the red light in order to get out of the way of an emergency vehicle, the red light camera would have been triggered by the emergency vehicle and so it ought to be clear on any photogtaph of that, that you had moved your vehicle out of its way, rather than committing an offence. However, best advice if you receive a notice of intended prosecution is to seek legal advice on how to present your case to magistrates... |
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that looks like typical "black" and white civil servant speak and doesn't really clear anything up.
I'll try contacting my local safety camera partnership and see if they can alter that shade of grey at all. _________________ Andy
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theripper Pocket GPS Verifier


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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A friend at works daughter got photographed by red light camera after pulling forward to let an ambulance through. When she got the ticket she told them what had happened and they told her it did not matter she should not have gone through the red light. This was in the Croydon area.
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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imagine though what the emergency services would have said to the person who refused to move out their way for fear of getting a fine... pathetic isn't it...
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I had thought of that - but it's not the sort of thing you talk about at a time like we're discussing here.
Where I live, there a police on pushbikes - next time I see one I might ask this very question.
Funny enough, they don't have blues lights on their helmets - so would I have to move out of their way? _________________ Andy
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator


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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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No reply from my local camera partnership as yet - but I guess there would be if it had a fine attached _________________ Andy
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator


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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Still no reply from my camera partnership...
...I bet they would be more communicative though if you were 'paying' £60 and 3 points for the privelege of their corresppondence
I'll try re-sending my e-mail and see if that provokes a response. _________________ Andy
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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you want to move to yorkshire - they respond to emails promptly, send out regular newsletters and even have a sense of humour!
good ol' yorksha folk eh?! |
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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MaFt wrote: | good ol' yorksha folk eh?! | You've been speaking to Dennis again.  _________________ Richard
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GPS_fan Pocket GPS Moderator


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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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MaFt wrote: | you want to move to yorkshire |
NO WAY
God built the Pennines to keep you lot out!!
...and you need a sense of humour to live there
Red roses are far more popular than white ones!!! (and more romantic)
Guess where I was born and bred...but the war of the roses came almost as far south as where I live now, so we'd better not start.
There's nowt so queer as folk _________________ Andy
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff


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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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GPS_fan wrote: | MaFt wrote: | you want to move to yorkshire |
[b]NO WAY
God built the Pennines to keep you lot out!!
Guess where I was born and bred...but the war of the roses came almost as far south as where I live now, so we'd better not start.
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i went to lancaster uni and we had an annual 'roses' competition with york uni - i always got funny looks cos i wanted the opposition to win!!!
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