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planetgarb Occasional Visitor
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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i always thought they were already illegal...
still, the key here is:
Quote: | The sophisticated Gatso radar or laser-based detectors should not be confused with ordinary satellite navigation systems. These remain legal because they use GPS and published mapping technology to warn of published camera sites. |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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We have discussed this in depth many times. The proposal in the Road Safety Bill sought to legislate against all forms' of 'active' detection which included Laser and Radar detectors. The bill specifically allowed GPS POI based systems so long as they did not contain 'active' sensors.
Specific parts of the Road Safety Act 2006 as it is now known are being introduced in stages. The harsher penalties for mobile phones was just one section. The section covering use of laser and radar detectors has not yet been introduced into law and may not make it onto the statute books until the end of 2007 or early 2008 so the author of the story in Computer Active has gotten his wires crossed! _________________ Darren Griffin |
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planetgarb Occasional Visitor
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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im wondering if the road angel detectors although being gps based will be outlawed |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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planetgarb wrote: | im wondering if the road angel detectors although being gps based will be outlawed |
Yes they will if they contain a hardware 'active' detector such as the laser sensor in some Road Angel's, Snooper's and many others.
The key point is that they have not been outlawed 'yet'. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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There is no dispute that there is a law in the making which will ban radar detectors but this story is a load of rubbish and contradicts itself....
Quote: | Radar and laser speed detection devices are now illegal |
But then:
Quote: | The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) said that as the Bill was still going through parliament, it had no comment to make on the subject.
However Andrew Howard admitted it would be a steep learning curve for the police to identify illegal devices [b]when the Bill finally becomes law[b/]. |
So are they illegal or not?
Quote: | the banned devices can tell in real time which cameras are dummies or have no film. |
Eh? How can a radar detector detect film in a camera? It can certainly detect a radar unit (which which most Gatso boxes have) but it has absolutely no way of knowing if the Gatso also has a camera and film in it (which a small number of Gatso boxes have).
This was either written by someone who had no idea what they were writing about or perhaps it's a deliberately misleading article to attract more attention. _________________ Gone fishing! |
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Skippy wrote: | This was either written by someone who had no idea what they were writing about or perhaps it's a deliberately misleading article to attract more attention. |
I suspect the fomer! _________________ Darren Griffin |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Eh? How can a radar detector detect film in a camera? |
I think by "active" camera they mean those that have working parts and not just empty shells. |
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PaulB2005 Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 9323 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ignore me. Re-read thread - noi understand what you mean.... |
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Skippy Pocket GPS Verifier
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Darren wrote: | Skippy wrote: | This was either written by someone who had no idea what they were writing about or perhaps it's a deliberately misleading article to attract more attention. |
I suspect the fomer! |
You are probably right.... "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity".
PaulB2005 wrote: | I think by "active" camera they mean those that have working parts and not just empty shells. |
Yeah, I think that's the gist of what they meant to say but the actual wording came out with the nonsense about detecting film in the camera. :x _________________ Gone fishing! |
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GJF Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Quote, in the link of the first post:
Quote: | But the banned devices can tell in real time which cameras are dummies or have no film. Some devices can also detect mobile sites and laser speed guns used by the police. |
Skippy wrote:
Quote: | Eh? How can a radar detector detect film in a camera? It can certainly detect a radar unit (which most Gatso boxes have) but it has absolutely no way of knowing if the Gatso also has a camera and film in it (which a small number of Gatso boxes have). |
The author has no idea what he is talking about if he thinks it can detect film, however I have Whistler 1765, (Purchased in the USA) which can tell you by bleeps whether a Gatso camera is working or not (before i get to it), it is also very sensitive at picking up Laser from guns at a distance.
Re; the Gatso, I don’t know about the technical side but presume my Whistler is detecting either radar or pulses being sent from the camera.
I hasten to add that I wouldn’t dare use this to avoid detection but do find it interesting to see how many cameras are actually working. _________________ TomTom Go 60
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mostdom Pocket GPS Moderator
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:11 am Post subject: |
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GJF wrote: | ...Whistler 1765... ...I wouldn’t dare use this to avoid detection but do find it interesting to see how many cameras are actually working. |
Cool, and what are your findings! _________________ Dom
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Darren Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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There are many Gatso's that do not use radar though so it'd be very dangerous to rely upon. I tested a number of devices with a laser gun last year and whilst most actually triggered an alert all were way too late!
The findings were that the only situation where laser detectors were of any use is where they detected laser 'scatter' of a vehicle being targetted ahead. We were never able to recreate this with moving vehicles but did once do so with a carefully staged static line-up!
So the loss of laser detection isn't something I'd lose sleep over tbh and radar isn't reliable enoigh on it's own. _________________ Darren Griffin |
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mostdom Pocket GPS Moderator
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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I'm kinda curious as to how many cameras are still fake.
Once upon a time I used to know a handful of fake cameras and merrily sailed past them, much to the concern and curiosity of others on the road. (I had long hair then)
You know! the cameras that used to flash at everything, whether it was moving or not, or when there was nothing there at all. Those were the days.
Now in my more mature years I wouldn't dream of taking such risks, Cameras, speeding or other. _________________ Dom
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GJF Frequent Visitor
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I know the speeding subject is getting boring for some, so i continue at risk...........
mostdom wrote:
Quote: | Cool, and what are your findings! |
I haven't kept a log, but i would say in Kent possible 1 in 8 cameras don't omit a signal, they also seem to be fairly old cameras, but I am certainly not going to "jump" them to see if my detector works.
Darren wrote:
Quote: | There are many Gatso's that do not use radar though so it'd be very dangerous to rely upon. I tested a number of devices with a laser gun last year and whilst most actually triggered an alert all were way too late! |
I presume these may be the later cameras possibly digital.
Does the laser gun read the camera "scatter" similar to my Whistler or does it use a different method, as i'm sure the Whistler doesn't fire a laser beam? _________________ TomTom Go 60
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