Speed Camera Database to Turn Professional

[Marc_L400]

[gsxr1000]

thanks for your advice

but my posts have as much relevance as the post what annoyed me into posting about "special rates for the hard up" in the first place

so maybe we should all remove our posts

anyway - merry christmas

[Marc_L400]

[MELennium]

I wish gsxr100 would read the threads right. Not at any time does shughie say that he is asking for a reduction, or for free payment for being a special case, in fact he has no objection to paying. All he is asking is that he might not be able to afford the annual payment and to please keep the monthly payment option for him & other people possibly in a simular situation.

Back to the main topic, with the talk of the Goverment not allowing any more safety cameras & looking at other means of road safety & also the Daily Mail yesterday asking for all safety cameras to be withdrawn because of the major flaws that have been found, is this the gradual end to these cameras? If this did happen possibly over the next couple of years or so, we would not need the camera database at all. So my point to PGPSW is they might be better off going for a fee for accessing there site or certain parts of there site than a database that might only have a limited time left.
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[shughie]

I take it English is not your first language!! I did not say I was not prepared and happy to pay £2 What I said was that a years fee all at once was a problem.
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[gsxr1000]

i was generalising about people who think they should get it for free - read my earlier posts

i still say it is toss for anyone to be so bold to say they cant afford a £20 quid annual payment, after all if they save their £2's up for 6 months they have £20 quid for something after all, which is nothing more than a luxury, with some people going on (again the thread as a whole) like their life will end as they know it over a small £2 fee

simple answer is for the Mods to include what areas of country are updated with each new unfeasibly expensive and out of reach £2 download

then the incredibly hard up can make a balanced judgement wether to buy it or not for their £250 to £400 quid piece of hardware to be downloaded to their £500 quid Pc with their £15 quid a month internet connection to drive their taxed and insured cars with fuel costing £.90p per litre

get a life

[nigelp]

Well, I have not read through 50 pages, but my first thoughts are that I wont update monthly if it is £2 per download.

I may do it every few months, which in the end will means I have out of date databases so will probably end up not bothering at all.

its not the £2 as such, just the per download cost I object to.

An annual subscription would be my choice.

[shughie]

[b34r5]

To the staff-

I dont come on here very often at all these days, to come on and see this idea posted though has me dissapointed. In the original message put up about charging which is now on the home page we are told the general opinion of users collectively was that a £2 charge should be implimented. Well, having read countless pages of this topic, I would just like to point out that this is simply not the case. The users who have voiced their support for these plans clearly do not constitute, in my opinion, to be an 'overwhelming majority' at all. I am a bit dissapointed you seem to argueably be missleading people into thinking your idea is a general consensus of opinion, as have you previously also misslead all users by directly stating the database will remain free.

Replies to this thread show us only that we would loose a massive ammount of members, and that regretably, some may even be so spitefull as to resort to putting the database onto P2P networks. I hasten to add that these people may see their efforts as being morally right but in thinking that, they would be foolish and hypocritical. I, as im sure many others, will not support this at all.

To be honest, and to be in my opinion fair; you said you would be looking at this topic and basing your actions on our opinions and our thoughts. After 50 pages of posts, it is clear our opinions, collectively, or the 'overwhelming majority' of users opinions are not in line with your own. So make good on your word, consider our posts, reply, negotiate, lets sort something out.. is that not the only sensible thing to do? Lets see some polls, lets hear some more options, some more of your thoughts, some movement. What sets this place appart from any corporation is that it is made up of, and serves its users mutually, there is a relationship, and you listen to us! If you impose a blanket charge without taking into consideration many of (dare I say a majority of) our opinions, then it is all lost, you become just another corportation. That is a big step, in a number of ways. But to your credit, you do become arguably more 'professional' I suppose. I hope this is something you have considered or will consider when you come to make your choice.

With all of this aside, (and to throw all of that up there out of the window :P) I am writing as someone who does not come here often, who has not actively been involved in these discussions previous to this post. Hopefully, a somewhat fresh perspective. My personal opinion in my circumstance is that, having not contributed to the database, or regually to the forums, I would actually pay (a subscription, I wouldnt want to bother with the hassle of having to pay per download). I dont see why I am on level par with your dedicated users though, and my opinion on this is in the minority. Many of the people who have already posted here are much more justified in their rantings than I am.

You are top blokes for everything you have done... an impressive feat, and you definately do deserve a whole lotta credit. Im not going to say you are greedy, you're not; if you were you'd have probably charged from the start. All I am going to say is think about the response you have had to your proposition, its not what you anticipated. You were working on the assumption of a clear and considerable majority in favour of the charges- its not the case. What are you going to do about it? To plough foward with dissregard for the majority of your members would be at best, a dissapointing and by its own nature, incosiderate move. To abolish the idea of charges alltogether isnt fair on you.. I stick my neck out in assuming most poeople would vaguely agree with that remark (even though I am being slightly hypocritical in assuming what people think). To sit down, think about everything that has been said, give us some more options and seriously negotiate is, in my mind at least the most reasonable thing to do for everyone.
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[mossman]

and in case my intentions have not been clear, if you have to charge, no to a £2 download charge, but OK for an annual subscription, but maybe no more than £10.

[Cholmeleian]

I suspect most replies here are from those who want frequent updates and therefore prefer an annual subscription.

However there must be many people like myself who would prefer to pay per download. I am not that bothered about updating every month.

Given that GPS devices are now below £150, even £24 per year for a list of cameras seems excessive to me.

Providing both a pay as you download and a subscription model would probably work best.

This BB software is perfectly capable of providing polls if the option is selected by the administrator. So I think the site owner should do so and find out what people want.

[Cholmeleian]

[iankb]

As someone who understands that voluntary maintenance of the database can only go so far, I accept that a charge needs to be made. However, I see an annual charge of £10 as not only being more convenient than a download charge, but being at a level that shows that this is a jointly-owned database, and not just a commercial concern. If people see it as that, then I'm sure they will be more receptive to continuing contributions to it.

An annual charge of £10 is likely to contribute as much to this site as a £2 monthly charge, since the average user is unlikely to download a chargeable update every month, especially now that the government is stopping the expansion of the camera network.
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