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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: Snooper system
Very very over priced for what you get,You would have thought that after almost 5 years in the GPS business both Snooper and Road Angel could come up with some more exciting and innovative products,There is nothing here that a £250 system can't do.
And to top it off you have to pay a subscription charge!
In terms of product value for money neither of these products offer any at all,No blue tooth or wireless connections either.
Even the internal GPS receiver is out of date and you would think by charging £500-£600 they would at least have sirf111 on board or equivalent.
Let hope for the users who buy these they don't end up with unuseable bug ridden systems like the Road Angel Navigator and only to find the price gets dumped by £100 a few weeks after release.
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:19 pm Post subject: Indago Search
Just to let you know, I have a demo Indago system in my store and they must have upgraded the software because the unit is now FULL postcode search, not just 5 digit.
Also, I've taken a fair few orders because the way i see it is that the £200-300 units will ofer a database of cameras which is nowhere near as good as the Snooper database. Plus If you didn't see Watchdog recently, Teleatlas maps got a right old roasting as they were found to direct people to turn right off bridges and allsorts. Snooper uses Navteq who are widely reguarded as the best in the business.
I have to agree with you on The RA Navigator - Rattles in it's cradle, the speaker's pathetic and the all round general plastic cheap feel means i have more Indago pre orders than Navigator sales.
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject: Snooper unhappy customer
Pocket gps database is better than Snoppers and its free :D
Here is a users feed back report someone posted on our forum about the Snooper ENIGMA database! :D
Just a quick rating on the S4R.
I have just received my replacement unit (first unit failed to lock onto the satellites) yesterday and was expecting great things after the bad start. However it is looking a bit of a disappointment at the moment. On my daily run to work it seem to have several fixed gatso's missing from the database and also alarmed for gatso's long sinced removed. Certainly some of the gatso's have been in place for more than 2 months, so this is very worrying when they keep appearing on the A13 on a daily basis. The other moan is about the false alarms. It seems that the K-band radar alarm is continuous sounding and already I am beginning to think about disconnecting the S100RLD. I would be interested to know how other people are finding this unit.
For me it has to be only 1 out of 5 at the moment... High subscription fees and a very poor Gatso database, plus continuous false alarms.
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Indago Search
big_phil wrote:
Just to let you know, I have a demo Indago system in my store and they must have upgraded the software because the unit is now FULL postcode search, not just 5 digit.
Also, I've taken a fair few orders because the way i see it is that the £200-300 units will ofer a database of cameras which is nowhere near as good as the Snooper database. Plus If you didn't see Watchdog recently, Teleatlas maps got a right old roasting as they were found to direct people to turn right off bridges and allsorts. Snooper uses Navteq who are widely reguarded as the best in the business.
I have to agree with you on The RA Navigator - Rattles in it's cradle, the speaker's pathetic and the all round general plastic cheap feel means i have more Indago pre orders than Navigator sales.
I'm sorry but that's grossly innacurate. I have tested every system available to date (with the exception of the RA Navigator which they seem unwilling to supply for review and Snooper's Indago which has only recently been announced) and our database is not only as good as commercial offerings, it is in some cases far better, Snooper being one particular case in point. Our database is more current, has better coverage and maps mobile sites that Snooper and others either do not or do poorly.
As for the sham programme that Watchdog presented on GPS and TomTom in particular, that was more an indication of the program's tabloid style news reporting and a sad demonstration of the supidity of a few users than a measured and balanced report. It was frankly laughable and almost entirely false in its assertions.
I have had the benefit of testing TeleAtlas and Navteq maps and there is very little between them. Indeed I am of the opinion that in many cases TeleAtlas is better. The suggestion that Snooper's Indago offers anything better than a TomTom ONE with our database installed is IMHO false and the ONe solution would cost half the price. _________________ Darren Griffin
Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Posts: 2145 Location: Midlands, UK
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Indago Search
big_phil wrote:
Teleatlas maps got a right old roasting as they were found to direct people to turn right off bridges and allsorts. Snooper uses Navteq who are widely reguarded as the best in the business.
Well I have been using Tele Atlas maps in the system from Navigon for over 12 months covering just over 17K miles, and not once have I been directed wrong.
Now for the past 3 months I have also run another unit using NavTeq mapping, and to say its better is just not true, the old Tele Atlas maps still have roads on them that the NavTeq don't even show, islands missing that have been there for over 5 years in my area, a missing duel carriage way that been there for 3 years is not shown on the NavTeq maps, it only runs for 11 miles, how did they miss that!
I have a friend who has now removed and sold via eBay a Snooper that was less than 6 months old because of the force alerts. He is now using a PDA system along with the FREE Safety Cameras from this web site.
There is no doubt some differences between the mapping from NavTeq & Tele Atlas, but it seems to depend on what part of the UK you are in as to the faults they BOTH have.
My in/out-laws have a 60K car with the so called latest fit GPS, but it has no Safety Camera data, and still tried to turn us into a one-way street in York, and that was a 2.5K option.
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: Indago - sheep in wolfs clothing?
I would strongly advise that anybody considering this instrument checks very carefully the finer detail of its performance against the claims made by snooper (performance products).
I have one and had cause to express disappointment over many non-functioning key POIs, some unfinished POI icons, poor street-level mapping detail, direction errors, missed speed camera sites, clumsy tools for point-on-map navigation and some very odd mapping errors (Skegness appearing on the west coast, Enfield below London etc). My impression was that the Tom Tom offered far better value for money and I feel especially let down by the marketing director of performance products, whose responses were initially appropriately apologetic - expressing interest in the many reported errors, but soon reverted to a systematic defence of the Indago and denial that there was reason for disappointment on my part, despite me having provided them with digital photographs of mapping errors and specific examples of non-functioning features and comparative mapping Indago v Tom Tom.
The dialogue took on a note of exasperation on the part of the marketing director who claimed that it was not clear what I expected them to do as they were seemingly trying to help but I would not let them. In reality, performance products offered only weak defence of these problems in the form of :- POIs being a third-party product that really should not have included a number of sites and locations, as they were not available on the Indago and that my preference of the Tom Tom was a personal one that I was entitled to. The poor street-level mapping on the Indago was dismissed as differences in OS and that changing the colour of the map was advised - this of course does not add detail to the uninspiring minimalist mapping, it only makes it a different colour. Because there R&D department were apparently unable to reproduce the inverted mapping I had illustrated, this also was dismissed and the unspecified symbols that are in abundance across the map were simply explained as something they were in the process of amending.
When I reiterated the seat of my disappointment in this product based upon specific faults, performance discrepancies and comparative lack of software tools on the Indago, compared to the Tom Tom that costs approximately half the price. This was met by a number of extremely offensive (on a personal level) responses that left me in no doubt that I was wasting my time.
Any positive features of this product are, in my opinion, offset by its failure to entirely meet the specifications given in the product literature and operator menus, its failure to match the functionality of considerably lesser-priced and in many respects more versatile products (namely Tom Tom v5.21 on PDA), and moreover, the highly unprofessional attitude of the marketing director of performance products.
Hi this is the first time to use this site so bear with me. I need help plz...I just bought a Snooper Indago sat nav. yesterday at £399 and was wondering if i made the right choice? I dont know anything about these products and so need help in making the right choice. The guy at the store told me it was very good and that he even had one himself.
Plz guys let me know coz its a surprise for hubby eventho i know he will kill me for spending that much!
Thanx ... and if its crap that plz tell me the best to buy on the market..
Joined: 11/07/2002 14:36:40 Posts: 23848 Location: Hampshire, UK
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:04 am Post subject:
We haven't seen one in the flesh but personally I wouldn't buy one. The map interface isn't great, it's unlikley to sell in great numbers hence no real user community and you'd be better off with one of the more main stream solutions. That's my ten penneth worth anyway! _________________ Darren Griffin
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