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the_questioner
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I don't doubt that & I'm not defending any of these actions. What is happening is wrong. I don't use ebay for this reason, I got ripped off a few years ago for an autograph, so I don't ever use it. Anyway why would someone want to pay money for things that are clearly FREE.
There are two sides to every story but this thead only ever shows one side. That is, obviously your choice. As I have said before I don't agree with the selling of this kind of stuff. I am not the voice of defence but just a voice asking questions, trying to make sense of what is going on and making people should think about thier comments, before making judgement.
If people don't want things copying, don't let people download it.
I suppose all people who post here have never copied any music, created a tape or CD for the car or watched a copied DVD or video. If you have, then you're a pirate.
You can't create a book or file with UK postcodes in and then say it is your copyright. That would mean that no-one would be able to use a postcode or put them on letters. That's all. |
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spook51
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| It's nonsense to say if you don't want something copied, keep it to yourself; the onus is not on the author to prevent copyright theft, it is on the user (reader, listener, viewer or whoever) not to do it. |
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kentmere97
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: Caravan Club |
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www.caravanclub.co.uk
Their monthly magazine has a very high circulation (100,000+), is a quality publication and is very respected by those who read it.
The Caravan Club is extremely sensitive on issues such as copyright and adhere to the letter of any, and all, laws on all issues.
If you feel they might be assisting in Copyright theft through one of their advertisers then contact them.
First contact is the magazine editor, Barry Williams. Most powerful person, in the extremely successful and very profitable organisation, is Trevor Watson their long serving Director General. |
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the_questioner
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I totally agree with spook51 |
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chris_w
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| the_questioner wrote: |
1. I'm not defending any of these actions. What is happening is wrong.
2. There are two sides to every story but this thead only ever shows one side.
If people don't want things copying, don't let people download it.
3. I suppose all people who post here have never copied any music, created a tape or CD for the car or watched a copied DVD or video. If you have, then you're a pirate.
4. You can't create a book or file with UK postcodes in and then say it is your copyright. That would mean that no-one would be able to use a postcode or put them on letters. That's all.
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1. Glad to hear it :D. Although I haven't seen anything coherent in These arguments which would constitute the opposite point of view.
2. Yes there is always another perspective. On a forum of people who contribute to this database what would you expect? Also anyone with a shred of common sense wouldn't condone what's going on here.
3. Not sure what point is been made here? does this make it right? - I'm not sure it's even relevant... see point below
"don't download it" - it's a free database for everyone.... the use of it has never been an issue on this forum, nor is the coying of it - The selling of this information is the issue.
4. It all depends on how that information is packaged and what value you add to it. If we relate this back to the database..... a lot of work has gone into providing extra information ie. Longitiude and Latitude for use with a GPS system. Although the Police do provide this information it's totally usless for a GPS system until somebody does the legwork and gets the Lat and Lon information AND the type of Camera AND the speed limit - this takes effort, adds value - so why shouldn't it be subject to Copyright?
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the_questioner
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| chris_w wrote: |
4. It all depends on how that information is packaged and what value you add to it. If we relate this back to the database..... a lot of work has gone into providing extra information ie. Longitiude and Latitude for use with a GPS system. Although the Police do provide this information it's totally usless for a GPS system until somebody does the legwork and gets the Lat and Lon information AND the type of Camera AND the speed limit - this takes effort, adds value - so why shouldn't it be subject to Copyright?
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I quite agree however, you can't copyright postcodes as these are owned by the crown.
Remember that not everyone is computer literate. maybe an advert in mags that sell GPS systems or on sites that do would help people find all this stuff and put those guys out of business. |
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Darren
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Caravan Club |
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| kentmere97 wrote: | www.caravanclub.co.uk
Their monthly magazine has a very high circulation (100,000+), is a quality publication and is very respected by those who read it.
The Caravan Club is extremely sensitive on issues such as copyright and adhere to the letter of any, and all, laws on all issues.
If you feel they might be assisting in Copyright theft through one of their advertisers then contact them.
First contact is the magazine editor, Barry Williams. Most powerful person, in the extremely successful and very profitable organisation, is Trevor Watson their long serving Director General. |
Did I miss a post? Who suggested they had broken copyright?
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carl_w
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| the_questioner wrote: | | I quite agree however, you can't copyright postcodes as these are owned by the crown. |
You're right, but the file that cross-references postcodes to lat/long co-ordinates is copyright (either OS or the Royal Mail). This is why the formerly excellent digitools postcode database (which worked well with TTN3) is no more. Fortunately full postcode support is in TTN5 anyway. |
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alix776
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: |
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how did the caravan club get get in to this i must be missing something or need another coffee therrs nothing there lastest magazine that ive seen 
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squigles
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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 It would appear, that by making it more widely known, that the Camera Data Base is FREE to download and use would frustrate or even curtail these leachers.
Just an idea, any arguments on the back of a £50  Thanks
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Oldboy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| squigles wrote: | It would appear, that by making it more widely known, that the Camera Data Base is FREE to download and use would frustrate or even curtail these leachers.
Just an idea, any arguments on the back of a £50 Thanks
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You'll get no argument from me. :D Only 'cos I refuse to pay £50. 
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squigles
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Your no fun Oldboy :D |
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Oldboy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well not at that price. :D Unless someone else is paying. 
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Alan Sanders
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:58 pm Post subject: Caravan Club |
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Darren, alix776
Please see my posting Friday 26th August 4:43
Link- that should help to explain why the Caravan Club got a mention.
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cerocbabe
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: 7995022412 |
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someone is selling a speed camera software on ebay. ends 31 august. no idea if it's yours, just happened to come across it.
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