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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: Cambridgeshire Speed Campaign Benefits From New Database |
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Residents of Cambridgeshire are hoping to benefit from safer roads as a new database is launched to assist with the current Speedwatch campaign.
The scheme allows local residents to erect temporary speed cameras to help catch offending motorists.
The information collected by the cameras is then used to send the drivers letters which warn them about their driving, helping them to adjust this whilst avoiding formal prosecution through a speeding ticket.
David McCandless, one of the scheme's co-ordinators, told the Cambridge News and Crier that the warning letter was designed to give drivers the "jolt" they needed, highlighting the need for them to adjust their speed.
Since records began, as many as 10,000 drivers out of 12,243 vehicles checked have been caught speeding by the community cameras in the St Ives area alone. This huge percentage of speeders raises many questions in itself!
The cameras used in the scheme were placed over twelve different areas within St Ives and are said to have completed over four hundred speed check sessions.
Statistics for other areas showed similar results with Ramsey finding more than three thousand people guilty of speeding since June 2010. These speed checks were held over more than one hundred sessions, covering twelve villages and towns in the area.
To help residents improve the scheme further, a new database is being launched for the campaign. McCandless explained that this would see a combined records database for the community used, making it quicker to check vehicle details such as whether there is insurance or a valid MOT.
Is this type of verification just one more step towards communities helping to diminish the need for more police officers? _________________ Robert Brady |
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridgeshire Speed Campaign Benefits From New Database |
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News Team wrote: |
To help residents improve the scheme further, a new database is being launched for the campaign. McCandless explained that this would see a combined records database for the community used, making it quicker to check vehicle details such as whether there is insurance or a valid MOT. |
Does this mean these volunteers get access to driver's insurance and MOT records?
Surely that would break every data protection rule in the book? _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14893 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridgeshire Speed Campaign Benefits From New Database |
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News Team wrote: | Since records began, as many as 10,000 drivers out of 12,243 vehicles checked have been caught speeding by the community cameras in the St Ives area alone. This huge percentage of speeders raises many questions in itself!
Statistics for other areas showed similar results with Ramsey finding more than three thousand people guilty of speeding since June 2010. These speed checks were held over more than one hundred sessions, covering twelve villages and towns in the area. |
Whilst I thoroughly disapprove of speeding, this report makes outrageously horrifying reading.
First, it gives the impression of cowboy speed checkers operating unsupervised. Quote: | allows local residents to erect temporary speed cameras | Just where and how are they erecting cameras - tripods or some dodgy bit of balancing on the boot of somebody's car?
Second, the differences between the two sets of figures offered are extremely odd - St Ives gets 10,000 speeders out of 12,243 vehicles checked. But Ramsey checks 22,588 vehicles and reports only 3,063 for speeding. It won't happen to me, but in the case of St Ives letters, I'd be wanting to know just what sort of operation is running, by whom and exactly what training they'd had and if the cameras are calibrated sufficiently frequently.
Third, there is an implication that these cowboy camera operators have access to ANPR technology. So all I need is a pal in Cambridgeshire to be able to find out where lives the nuisance who parks outside my house during the school run! _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridgeshire Speed Campaign Benefits From New Database |
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Andy_P wrote: | News Team wrote: |
To help residents improve the scheme further, a new database is being launched for the campaign. McCandless explained that this would see a combined records database for the community used, making it quicker to check vehicle details such as whether there is insurance or a valid MOT. |
Does this mean these volunteers get access to driver's insurance and MOT records?
Surely that would break every data protection rule in the book? |
Indeed it would break every rule in the book. Only the authorities would have access to the data collected by the volunteers. At least I assume so! _________________ Robert Brady |
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RobBrady Frequent Visitor
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 2718 Location: Chelmsford, UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridgeshire Speed Campaign Benefits From New Database |
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DennisN wrote: | Just where and how are they erecting cameras - tripods or some dodgy bit of balancing on the boot of somebody's car? |
Tripods I believe. _________________ Robert Brady |
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253 Lifetime Member
Joined: Mar 05, 2007 Posts: 1058 Location: The green bit between the M40, M4 and M25.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridgeshire Speed Campaign Benefits From New Database |
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RobBrady wrote: | Andy_P wrote: | News Team wrote: |
To help residents improve the scheme further, a new database is being launched for the campaign. McCandless explained that this would see a combined records database for the community used, making it quicker to check vehicle details such as whether there is insurance or a valid MOT. |
Does this mean these volunteers get access to driver's insurance and MOT records?
Surely that would break every data protection rule in the book? |
Indeed it would break every rule in the book. Only the authorities would have access to the data collected by the volunteers. At least I assume so! |
Not so sure, if the information just said "Insurance - Yes' or 'MOT - No'. without giving any persoanl details e.g. people details on the insurance policy, then that would be OK.
It's 'personal' details that are subject to the DPA.
So I am assuming that there is probably a way around it, otherwise the RAC/AA and others would be over it like a rash.
edit by me.
Just remembered that the AIB (or whatever they are called) the Insurers Association only allow full access to their insurance database for certain reasons, and speeding is not one of them. _________________ Triumph Tbird 1700. And now a Bonnie T100. |
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technik Lifetime Member
Joined: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 789 Location: Midlands UK
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone with a PC and internet connection can check the MIB database to check if a vehicle is insured.
Somehow I think this is just a scare mongering tactic that in reality will not be in the hands of the OAP volunteers.
Most of the Community Speed Watch signs here were ripped down afew days after they appeared. _________________ GO 620, Tomtom Android EU,
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15156 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: |
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technik wrote: | Anyone with a PC and internet connection can check the MIB database to check if a vehicle is insured.
Somehow I think this is just a scare mongering tactic that in reality will not be in the hands of the OAP volunteers.
Most of the Community Speed Watch signs here were ripped down afew days after they appeared. |
If you mean this: http://ownvehicle.askmid.com/ then it is only meant for YOUR OWN vehicle:
Quote: | Data Protection Declaration and Vehicle Ownership Statement
I am entitled to the insurance information about the vehicle detailed above for one or more of the following reasons: It is either registered/ owned/ insured by me or my employer; I am permitted to drive it; I am an Insurance Broker or agent and acting on behalf of my client.
I understand it is an offence to wrongfully obtain information of this nature without any of the above reasonable causes. If I fail to provide true reasons for acquiring this information I may be committing an offence of unlawfully obtaining data contrary to section 55 of the Data protection Act 1998. I declare that the information provided will not be used for any purposes unrelated to this enquiry.
I confirm that: I have read and understood the data protection declaration, one of the options stated above applies to me and I agree to the terms of use as stated on this website. |
Otherwise you need to pay for each request and still need a valid reason for it. I can't see the police getting the OAPs to pay for the information to send to the police...!
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
Joined: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 15156 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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But at the end of the day they have no legal standing. I could phone the police every 10 minutes and whine at them saying "a car just drove too fast" or "there's a car parked on double yellow lines". That's basically what these people are doing albeit with a pointless news report about it.
The police can do nothing unless they witness it with their own eyes. Until then it's just hearsay.
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Buity apparantly they can send you a letter |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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M8TJT wrote: | Buity apparantly they can send you a letter |
If you want, I can send you a letter too?
Dear Mr T,
Someone told me you were being naughty the other day. I have no proof of this so I cannot do anything about it, but I just wanted to let you know.
Love & Kisses
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Andy_P Pocket GPS Moderator
Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 19991 Location: West and Southwest London
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I hope you frame it when it arrives M8
That's if MaFt can find a stamp.... _________________ "Settling in nicely" ;-) |
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DennisN Tired Old Man
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 14893 Location: Keynsham
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Andy_P wrote: |
I hope you frame it when it arrives M8
That's if MaFt can find a stamp.... |
I'll stamp on him for you. _________________ Dennis
If it tastes good - it's fattening.
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M8TJT The Other Tired Old Man
Joined: Apr 04, 2006 Posts: 10118 Location: Bexhill, South Sussex, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Reply to that nice Mr. MaFt's letter. Bog Off
DennisN wrote: | Andy_P wrote: |
I hope you frame it when it arrives M8
That's if MaFt can find a stamp.... |
I'll stamp on him for you. | Yes please |
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MaFt Pocket GPS Staff
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