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PaulB2005
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 Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: Man with broken sat Nav takes three days to get home |
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A Wiltshire grandfather spent three days trying to find his way home from Gatwick Airport after becoming disorientated in snowy conditions. |
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MaFt
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Surely during that time he had to stop for petrol?! He could easily of bought a map and asked someone where he was...
What a numpty!
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Guivre46
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: |
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The version I read said he did ask for help, but people could not understand his accent.
ANPR seems rather intimidatingly efficient doesn't it? More to it than I had thought about before.
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Darren
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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BBC say the chap was Moroccan which explains the accent.
ANPR is commonly linked now but I wonder how long the records are retained for?
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DennisN
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Darren wrote: | | ANPR is commonly linked now but I wonder how long the records are retained for? |
$64,000 question. Certainly long enough to trace a wandering innocent bystander over a couple of days and several widespread locations. Until the records were scanned, we can assume there had previously been no reason (ANPR alert) to keep this vehicle's records, so they were kept for the "standard period". When you remember that there are at least seven terrorists in this country, travelling every day over however many thousands of miles of our roads, for however many days/weeks/months, you should be able to work out that in order to trace those seven before, during and/or after the next incident, the length of time the records are retained is probably only limited by the size of the HQ hard disk (PNC etc). As amateurs (compared with government), you will have some idea how much space pgpsw uses. These camera records will be pretty small - Registration, date, time.
Be afraid. Be very afraid. (Or behave yourself).
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BigPerk
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, when I had a bit of an involvement in the IT aspects of the Yorkshire Ripper enquiry many years ago, the amount of effort & time that went into finding traces was unbelievably great. So I would say DennisN is right. As for | Quote: | | Be afraid. Be very afraid. (Or behave yourself) |
I agree but the thing is, what should we be MORE afraid of - having an effective policing system, or the likely social/political environment without it?
It can seem to be a hard call sometimes, but I think I know where my chips have to go down, on balance.
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DennisN
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| BigPerk wrote: | As for | Quote: | | Be afraid. Be very afraid. (Or behave yourself) |
I agree but the thing is, what should we be MORE afraid of - having an effective policing system, or the likely social/political environment without it?
It can seem to be a hard call sometimes, but I think I know where my chips have to go down, on balance. |
My apologies, I should have included a smiley with my throw-away quip and I hope Darren "saw" one even if I missed it out - I think he is pretty much aware that I often engage my keyboard well in advance of my brain!
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Privateer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Darren wrote: | | ANPR is commonly linked now but I wonder how long the records are retained for? |
I thought that the period of time that ANPR records were kept for was three years.
However Wikipedia is your friend, reading about Ring of Steel, I came across a reference to Police-enforced ANPR in the UK, which states that "resulting data is stored for 5 years in the National ANPR Data Centre".
Whether this is true, is for you to decide! 
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AliOnHols
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| DennisN wrote: | | .....Be afraid. Be very afraid. (Or behave yourself). |
Or emigrate!.
I know what got my vote! 
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Skippy
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Wikipedia wrote: | | resulting data is stored for 5 years in the National ANPR Data Centre |
I've heard that mobile phone companies were forced to keep records for 6 years too.
Stuff like this is a massive invasion of privacy and it must be stopped. Of course, the UK government won't stop it, perhaps the EU will force them to...
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Andy_P
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Must admit I'm pleasantly surprised by some of the responses so far.
I thought I was going to plough a lonely furrow on the "one step too far/big brother" opinion.
One thing's for certain... whatever they tell you their limit is, they won't abide by it. The tool is just too useful to them in too many different ways. |
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DennisN
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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With mobile phone records for six years, it seems almost insane to keep ANPR stuff for a mere 5 years. And anyway, how long am I required to keep my business records? - I think it's seven years, so they're all lagging way behind what is reasonable.
Mind you, whatever they are, they're a blessing compared with the thirty years I had to keep that bluddy wife of mine! 
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