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falkirk81
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 Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: Program about speed cameras on wednesday |
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Tomorrow at 11.30am, Wednesday, on the BBC2 programme 'working lunch' there is a segment about speed cameras and how these cameras do not catch illegal/ uninsured/ untaxed etc cars/ motorists.
EDIT - it may be the 'daily politics' show tomorrow. same time, same channel.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the heads-up, I've Sky+'d both Daily Politics @11.30 and Working Lunch at 13.30 just in case!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah sorry for the confusion, i was getting changed and overheard it in the background.
Pretty sure its the 'working lunch' at 13.30 now i look at the sky planner. Got them both set to record.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Program about speed cameras on wednesday |
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| falkirk81 wrote: | Tomorrow at 11.30am, Wednesday, on the BBC2 programme 'working lunch' there is a segment about speed cameras and how these cameras do not catch illegal/ uninsured/ untaxed etc cars/ motorists.
EDIT - it may be the 'daily politics' show tomorrow. same time, same channel. |
Who said they did?
I thought that job was reserved for ANPR cameras.
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falkirk81
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You are correct. I think its focus is going to be on how the speed camera does not stop the illegal and uninsured drivers on our roads.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| falkirk81 wrote: | | You are correct. I think its focus is going to be on how the speed camera does not stop the illegal and uninsured drivers on our roads. |
but that's like a news item discussing how radio's don't play tv programmes... it's not what they were designed for!
anyway, i'll try remember to watch it!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I think its focus is going to be on how the speed camera does not stop the illegal and uninsured drivers on our roads. |
Might as well do a program on how they don't stop robbers and murderers.
How about an indepth report on how my printer does nothing to stop disease? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess the point is that money is being spent installing these cameras rather then having Traffic cops out on the roads, who *would* catch all the other offences as well. |
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| Andy_P wrote: | | I guess the point is that money is being spent installing these cameras rather then having Traffic cops out on the roads, who *would* catch all the other offences as well. |
Precisely! That is how I understood the point of the item!
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It was the Daily Politics Show, about 18mins from the end (thank goodness for Sky+!).
An interesting and for once surprisingly sensibly argument against their proliferation. The argument being that in 10 years speeding fines have grown from 250,000 p.a. to nearly 2 million p.a.!
In the meantime we have 1 million uninsured and untaxed drivers who go undetected because we now have far fewer traffic officers.
A good item and if anyone wants to watch it who missed it, try iPlayer where it will be available later today and for the next 7 days.
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| Darren wrote: | It was the Daily Politics Show, about 18mins from the end (thank goodness for Sky+!).
An interesting and for once surprisingly sensibly argument against their proliferation. The argument being that in 10 years speeding fines have grown from 250,000 p.a. to nearly 2 million p.a.!
In the meantime we have 1 million uninsured and untaxed drivers who go undetected because we now have far fewer traffic officers.
A good item and if anyone wants to watch it who missed it, try iPlayer where it will be available later today and for the next 7 days. |
If they are undetected, how do they know there is a million? If they have put a figure on it, they must have been detected!
So if the cameras are being so successful at catching speeders, a 75% rise in fines would seem to support that, why not put ANPR cameras in all speed cameras?
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| classy56 wrote: | | If they are undetected, how do they know there is a million? If they have put a figure on it, they must have been detected! |
The PNC will be a start I guess, it will have the details of all those vehicle for which no current keeper is recorded. The Insurance Database will have similar records.
| Quote: | | So if the cameras are being so successful at catching speeders, a 75% rise in fines would seem to support that, why not put ANPR cameras in all speed cameras? |
Because there aren't nearly enough officers to deal with the results! How would an unmanned camera with ANPR be any help?
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| Darren wrote: | | The PNC will be a start I guess, it will have the details of all those vehicles for which no current keeper is recorded. The Insurance Database will have similar records. |
Pardon me, but is this correct? We have long been seeing the adverts for getting a TV licence which says they have a database of all the unlicensed tellies. But they HAVEN'T. What they've got is a database of all the licensed tellies and if they find a telly which isn't on the database, they "know" it's unlicensed. I delighted in regularly buying TV related stuff and filling in that form about where you live, so that for weeks they'd send me letters about how wicked I was to have an unlicensed telly and they'd be coming to get me. Their problem was the licence was in Vera's name, not mine, so I wasn't in the database - they didn't even have the facility to check the address as opposed to the name and address!
So I suspect the PNC has details of current keepers and if a vehicle pings it without a registered current keeper, it blows the whistle? This vehicle is not on the "registered keepers DB". Same with the insurance, Tax and MOT DBs? There have been cases of vehicles being stopped for no insurance and that was because some online insurances were somehow failing to be registered.
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I'm pretty sure that PNC (which has direct access to the DVLA Database) will have records of ALL VRN's in circulation and know which of those do not have current keeper details.
A moot point anyway, ANPR as you say will ping any car for whom relevant details are not recorded or for which a current MoT is not recorded which is the point surely?
At the end of the day, would you rather see more speed cameras or more Police Officers and mobile ANPR stings? Of course whilst the latter may remove unlicensed, uninsured, untaxed motorists from our roads and in many cases reveal further offences to boot, it is not a licence to print money so we all know which one will proliferate.
As for TV's, did you know retailers who sell TV's and other devices that contain TV Tuners are required to submit a form to TV Licencing with the purchasers details?
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dennis, i think the tv license it quite different as there can be more than one person 'registered' to live at a single address. however, there can only be a single registered owner of a vehicle. further, if you are not the registered keeper of the car when you get your insurance then the registered keeper must be named - this is far more traceable than the tv-license method...!
when i was a dodgy, cheap student buying a VCR i just gave them my mum and dad's address for the license...
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