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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:20 pm    Post subject: Holux GR-231 Reply with quote

Just got one of these. TTN3 seems to connect fine using NEMA or SiRF Bluetooth protocols. Are there ANY pros/cons using one over the other?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's really not much in it. SiRF may produce a slightly faster response, which is a double-edged sword, in that you'll notice a brief loss of lock in SiRF mode whereas in NMEA mode you won't see anything.

I tend to keep my GPS in SiRF mode because that way I can see what's happening with SBAS on (you don't see the GPS attempting to find an SBAS satellite in Winfast Navigator or similar in NMEA mode). However, that's a very minor concern, particularly as EGNOS now looks likely not to be in service until April 2005, and SBAS isn't needed for in-car navigation anyway.


The other problem with switching to SiRF mode is that some GPSes can be tricky to switch mode, and a lot of software only works in NMEA mode.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks (an apologies for cross-posting in a way that's a no-no).

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it - we feel that stopping multi-posting makes the forums easier to use, also it saves you getting two separate discussions on the same questions.

Maybe it would help if we posted a tutorial somewhere on posting links - as there's plenty of times that people would want to post links, but it's not the most obvious thing. This is something that never seems to get to the top of the "to do" list. There's always more work to be done, especially by the team members who are not only participating in the forums but also writing articles and reviews.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DavidW wrote:
There's really not much in it. SiRF may produce a slightly faster response, which is a double-edged sword, in that you'll notice a brief loss of lock in SiRF mode whereas in NMEA mode you won't see anything.


In the TTN3 GPS monitoring screen SiRF mode seems to show the individual sats coming in and out of providing a signal very frequently and rapidly. In NMEA mode they appear all there most of the time. Does this mean in NMEA mode the GPS receiver is doing the arbitration of what sats are being used to derive a position, and in SirF mode the application (eg TomTom) has to do more of the work?

Also, does this mean the effect of XT mode is different depending if I'm using NMEA or SiRF as a protocol?

Or is the difference only the protocol, and the imformation it passes is the same other than some extra data in the SiRF protocol as you already highlighted above?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference is only in the protocol. SiRF mode typically sends more data more frequently. In a typical NMEA configuration, information on the satellites being used is only usually sent every five seconds.

In either case, the GPS is doing all the work of positioning - it's not down to the application to decide what satellites are used (unless it chooses to get the raw PRN data and do all the work for itself, which is possible in SiRF mode and useful for survey type application on the cheap, but which TomTom GPS doesn't do).



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