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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Hidden Speed Cameras Playing With People’s Lives Reply with quote

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The danger of hidden speed cameras has been highlighted.

Mohammed Darez has called attention to a camera on the A677, Preston New Road in Blackburn which he says is obscured by overhanging branches from a tree in the adjacent garden.

He says that it is "playing with people’s lives" and "It is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt or killed on this road".

He argued that: "There's no point the camera being there and it's not serving its purpose. It's being covered with branches and it won’t be catching anyone speeding. Nine out of 10 cars are going over 30mph - then they just put on the brakes."

Mr Darez believes that the camera should be replaced with an average speed camera system.

A Lancashire Road Safety Partnership spokesman commented: "We would always encourage residents to let us know about issues with cameras like overgrown trees and will ensure this is looked into; there are several housings on Preston New Road but we will ask a technician to survey the route and deal with any issues in the usual manner.

They added: "Since the roll out of average speed on eight routes in Lancashire we have received numerous requests for similar speed enforcement throughout the county. Should the road safety partnership be in a position to fund further average speed routes then priority will be given to those where reductions in speed related casualties will be the most effective. We will submit this request to the partnership analyst who is recording each request and they will be evaluated in the event that a further project is authorised by the partnership executive."

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Average speed does seem to be the way to go.

They avoid the dangerous brake - accelerate mob
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that the dangerous drivers using the PGPSW database to drive faster than the legal limit except near cameras?

Or the dangerous drivers who aren't even exceeding the speed limit and still brake because their sat Nav warned them of a camera?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Braking from 35 mph to 30mph then going back to 35mph does NOT make me a dangerous driver.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornz wrote:
Braking from 35 mph to 30mph then going back to 35mph does NOT make me a dangerous driver.
The energy is proportional to the square of the speed, so 35mph is not an increase of a sixth as much energy as 30mph - it is actually an increase of a third. Source: https://www.riodrivingschool.co.uk/stopping-distances-and-kinetic-energy-driving/

A pedestrian hit at 30mph has a very significant one in five chance of being killed. This rises significantly to a one in three chance if they are hit at 35mph. Source: http://www.brake.org.uk/rsw/15-facts-a-resources/facts/1255-speed

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents safety factsheet: "The risk of a pedestrian who is hit by a car being killed increases slowly until impact speeds of around 30 mph.
Above this speed, the risk increases rapidly"
https://www.rospa.com/rospaweb/docs/advice-services/road-safety/drivers/inappropriate-speed.pdf
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornz wrote:
Braking from 35 mph to 30mph then going back to 35mph does NOT make me a dangerous driver.


No, but generally drivers who do aren't exactly good ones Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fellwalker wrote:
Is that the dangerous drivers using the PGPSW database to drive faster than the legal limit except near cameras?

Or the dangerous drivers who aren't even exceeding the speed limit and still brake because their sat Nav warned them of a camera?


I use the database to prompt me to glance at the speedo to make sure, double check, I am not speeding.

I also use the warning to confirm that the camera is still there for verification if necessary.

= not everybody uses it as a tool for a tool.
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