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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:44 pm    Post subject: A34 Average Camera Proposal To Be Considered Reply with quote

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Average speed cameras and a crawler lane for heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) have been proposed to Highways England for the busy A34 road by Oxfordshire County Council's transport panel.

The initiative follows a number of deaths on the road - six people already so far this year.

The proposer, County councillor Stewart Lilly, commented: "The design of parts of the roads needs changing but equally the standard of people's driving is appalling."

He added:"Either way we can't have any more mothers with young children killed in multiple vehicle pile-ups."

A Highways England spokesman commented: "Safety is our top priority and we look forward to hearing the ideas of Oxfordshire County Council and other bodies including the police. We will carefully consider any suggestions that are made."

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As soon as I saw the headline I recognised the road as being regularly an accident blackspot.

Specs do seem to be better than just protecting a few yards here and there where the Gatsos are.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am mystified. For the last 17 years as a whitevanman I have driven on average about 60,000 miles a year without an accident. So how do people have accidents? What are they doing that I'm not? Earlier this week, on the A4 by Hammersmith flyover, there were two cars, with one on top of the other. How does that happen?

The parts of the A34 that I drive over frequently are decent dual carriageway, with no hazards that I can see. So how do six people get killed? I just don't understand.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, it always amazes me too, saw similar strange 'accidents' during my time with the ambulance service.

Often comes down to the 'fatal four' or pure inattention by drivers who generally look no further ahead than the rear of the vehicle in front with no forward observation at all giving hardly any time to react when something happens.

Plus of course drivers who vastly overate their driving ability and attempt manoeuvres that they simply can't execute with any safety whatsoever Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I KNOW it's that stuff. Nevertheless, two cars travelling in the same direction on a 40mph dual carriageway where it's virtually impossible to get up to 30mph in traffic, still end up with one completely on top of the other? I imagine people would pay good money to watch a couple of stunt drivers do that.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

I'm sure they would Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything for money.

Nothing wrong with the A34 at all, perfectly good road, as with all roads if you don't treat them with respect then you get accidents.

Stop blaming the road, it's an immobile object, it's the buffoons behind the wheel that causes the accidents, not the road.

It's like saying speed kills. Completely and utterly WRONG! Speed does NOT KILL. If it did then you wouldn't be able to move and you most certainly wouldn't be able to drive, travel on a train or any other form of transport as you'd die instantly due to the effects of inertia.

It's the IMPACT that kills get it right for crying out loud! I'm sick & tired of the same old BS from the pathetic self righteous & dogooder camera lobby.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the impact only kills if the speed is sufficiently high ... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sussamb wrote:
Actually the impact only kills if the speed is sufficiently high ... Wink


Hallelujah someone realises it!

You penalise those in the accident, not those who pass through the area without any incident at all.

When are the people of this country going to stand up against these bullies with their cameras and speed guns and stop treating everyone like naughty little petulant children?

We're adults and we're also human and we can all make some mistakes and unless you're going to take control away from everyone and automate a car fully which isn't going to happen for a considerable time yet, then they're going to have to live with the simple facts that some people just aren't really cut out to drive or are more susceptible to tiredness/fatigue and error.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I disagree. Far too often those who speed are the ones who kill/injure others as they impact their vehicle into someone else. Often unfortunately they seem to survive and it's the innocents they hit who die.

Since some seem to think they can drive at speed whatever their ability, or more frequently lack of it, the solution to help protect the innocent is to target those who speed, drive carelessly etc. If I had my way we'd have many more average speed cameras and traffic police to enforce the law since too many seem to think they can simply ignore it Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps we should employ some people in councils who aren't backside kissers to those who're always saying to lower speeds unnecessarily especially on open country roads, like the A34, 303 etc.

With cretins like this & you we'll soon have men with red flags out in front of every darn car in case we knock someone over. OH FFS! You lot are really pathetic.

Time to remove a lot of OAPs too, because they're just terrible, I've reported several recently for doing 20 or less in 30, 40, 50, 60/70 mph zones.

Used FFCCTV camera footage for one who tried to steer into my path as I went to overtake him doing 21 mph in a 30, I'm awaiting further information from the local plod about this individual.

It's the slow coaches as well as the fast one's that cause accidents you know!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had numerous occasions over the years on both motorways and A roads where I've been doing the limit, or close to, checked the mirrors, nothing, performed an overtake, then from nowhere some idiot comes steaming up from behind.

If I drive on the M40 from Oxford to Denham doing 70 I'm frequently overtaken by others that make me look like I'm going backwards. I've seen plenty of narrow misses along that stretch. The average seems to be 90 to 100 along there.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wazza_G wrote:
With cretins like this & you we'll soon have men with red flags out in front of every darn car in case we knock someone over. OH FFS! You lot are really pathetic.

Time to remove a lot of OAPs too, because they're just terrible, I've reported several recently for doing 20 or less in 30, 40, 50, 60/70 mph zones.

Used FFCCTV camera footage for one who tried to steer into my path as I went to overtake him doing 21 mph in a 30, I'm awaiting further information from the local plod about this individual.

It's the slow coaches as well as the fast one's that cause accidents you know!

Well this certainly tells us, doesn't it? One thing it tells us is that the most likely cause of accidents is impatience, intolerance and arrogance - from those drivers who believe they are masters of the road. How about the 21mph guy starting to pull out to overtake somebody parked in his way perhaps? What I see EVERY day is a bunch of "masters of the road" who get into a road situation where everybody is running at the mean speed - say 60 in a 70 zone - and are so arrogant/impatient/intolerant that they absolutely KNOW they can get there sooner by weaving in and out of all three, four etc lanes jumping into the driver in front's safe distance - that's my only explanation of the two cars on top of each other scenario I mentioned above. They are the same drivers who are intolerant of learner drivers. They are the same drivers who believe it is right (legal FFS) to accelerate over the limit to overtake - IT'S NOT.

I'm an oap, have been for many years now. I drive at 70mph on motorways and dual carriageways. BUT I DON'T drive at 75mph on them and I DON'T weave about to dodge in front of other road users. And whilst I pass adverse judgement on drivers who behave that way, I do NOT pass adverse judgement on drivers who obey the speed limits.

When I'm doing 70mph on the motorway, I am legally entitled to expect NOBODY to overtake me unless they are in a vehicle operating blue lights and sirens. But I know far too well that I have to keep looking in my side and rear view mirrors because it'll happen, sure as God made little apples!!! They are the drivers who are going to kill somebody. Funnily enough, would you believe I disapprove?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wazza_G wrote:
{snip} and stop treating everyone like naughty little petulant children?
From your last couple of posts, it seems as if you fall into that category.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not so sure that SPECS on the A34 are a good idea.

Back in October 2013 my wife (Bo Peep) and I were traveling north on the A34 at 70mph in lane 2 during the daytime around 1:40pm. Just past the village of East Ilsey there is a long hill with a sign stating that vehicles over 7.5 tonnes are not allowed in lane 2 between 6am to 8pm. Halfway up that hill the traffic slowed and then suddenly stopped. I had left a safety gap in front of me but the driver behind me didn't and smashed into the rear of us. The driver later told the police that he'd hit us at 70mph. Fortunately we were in a Land Rover and walked away but my wife still suffers from whiplash.

I have forward facing dashcam footage of the incident, my wife still can't bear to watch it.

If money is to be spent on the A34 then I think that all of the hills should have crawler lanes for slower moving large vehicles.

If any money is left over then that should be spent on more visible police patrols which can monitor all types of driving - not just inappropriate speed.

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