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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Speed Cameras Attributed to Huge Accident Reduction Reply with quote

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Figures released by the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership (KMSCP) reveal that the number of fatalities and casualties at fixed and mobile speed camera sites on the county's roads have reduced by almost 75% since 2002.

Alongside having 397 fewer serious injuries and fatalities, the cameras have also helped to catch and prosecute more than 23,000 speeding drivers.

The Chairman for the KMSCP and the Head of Roads Policing for the Kent Police, Chief Inspector Andy Reeves, stated that the figures "speak for themselves" when it comes to road safety benefits.

Despite these figures, Chief Inspector Reeves announced that financial constraints mean there are no current plans to implement more cameras.

Source: BBC
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate to pick you up on grammar, but the headline should be either "Huge Accident Reduction Attributed to Speed Cameras" (preferably) or "Speed Cameras Attributed for Huge Accident Reduction".

No mention of regression to the mean in the article, I see.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip wrote:
No mention of regression to the mean in the article, I see.
Nah, let's not bother with that, it screws up out headline 'statistics' Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some cameras are in the right place.

What does 75% reduction mean? There were 4 KSIs then they put a camera in and now there has been 1?

I think people are getting more impatient and frustrated and there is more speeding, but in my area of suburbia it is more in short bursts from one hold-up to another. There is a blind double bend near me, cars roar round it; I don't ever expect to see a camera put up there, unless the worst does happen.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. There were 1588 before and now 397.
23,000 speeding x60 = 1.38M. Surely thay can afford a few more cams, especially seeing how damn good they are at preventing accidents. And at 1.5M saved for every fatal saved, loadsamoney for new cams gto generate even more money and save loadsalives. Or perhaps they are not, and the figures presented to us are 'smoke and mirror' generated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Speed Cameras Attributed to Huge Accident Reduction Reply with quote

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Alongside having 397 fewer serious injuries and fatalities,



Mmmhhh,

Could that be because since 2002 cars are safer? And nothing to do with the speedcameras? How can they say with certainty that the cameras are reducing fatal accidents and serious injuries?
The only way to know would be to remove the camers for another 10 years, stop cars developement and see if the accidents increase again ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was some researched published this week that seemed to indicate that people have become slightly less honest than older generations. There was a range of behaviours, but one of them was that people seemed more likely to break speed limits.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point of order Mr Chairman...

There is absolutely no correlation between "honesty" and breaking speed limits (or a lot of other laws).

A complete anarchist can be very honest and your average banker may be very law-abiding, but "honesty" is not a word we tend to associate with them any more! Very Happy

I suspect people are breaking speed limits more for a whole load of other reasons, possibly that they simply disagree with the way they are implemented.

A stretch of road through fields near me crosses the dividing line between two local authorities, and both are able to set their own speed limits.
A few years ago, both sections were de-restricted (i.e. 60mph for a single carriageway).

Then one council reduced their section to 40, and have recently reduced it further to 30.

Cross the invisible barrier and suddenly it's "safe" to drive at 60 again.

Makes no sense at all, other than it being the different policies of the two councils; and it's greater understanding of that sort of thing which makes people more likely to ignore certain rules and regulations.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you can read it here.

It's more of a psychometric/frequency test not observational. My own view is the world functions on the basis of honesty, and anything that erodes it makes life worse. Bankers and politicians have done a lot of harm recently.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah well... I'm in the 27.16% who are "Relaxed about breaking rules" category. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with the 44%, as you'd expect... I'm rather pleased [and surprised] it is such a high proportion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guivre46 wrote:
Well you can read it here.

It's more of a psychometric/frequency test not observational. My own view is the world functions on the basis of honesty, and anything that erodes it makes life worse. Bankers and politicians have done a lot of harm recently.


If you score 1 point minimum per question, how is this possible: "According to the authors, a score below 10 suggests you are very honest,"
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just goes to show that they lied when giving us the scoring rules.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right. The only safe course is to be completely paranoid - especially when driving. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had the Speed trap photo vans in British Columbia (Canada), and they actually worked too well.....the public was in tatters and a general uprising was brewing until the flip floppers in office changed the laws to take them off the road. I must say I was in support of the speed cameras, even though they nailed me a few times.
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