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Map v870 Released 17/05/2011
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Welsh street naming convention Reply with quote

I am currently running this latest map on both my iphone4 and 1005. I actually live in Prestatyn, North Wales. Three mile up the road is Sunny Rhyl.
Anyone know why on this map release they have decided to use Welsh Street names eg Stryd y Dwr instead of Water Street which is actually what the street name plate reads?
Secondly, navigate to N53d 19.278'. W3d 29.450'. What on earth is Wheelers Drive? I've lived in this area for 20 hrs. That street is the towns High Steet. I've never even heard of Wheelers Drive!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Welsh street naming convention Reply with quote

pete1336 wrote:
I've lived in this area for 20 hrs.
Should be long enough to get the hang of things. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Welsh street naming convention Reply with quote

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pete1336 wrote:
I've lived in this area for 20 hrs.
Should be long enough to get the hang of things. Wink


Seriously though...Wheelers Drive?????
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Welsh street naming convention Reply with quote

pete1336 wrote:
Anyone know why on this map release they have decided to use Welsh Street names eg Stryd y Dwr instead of Water Street which is actually what the street name plate reads?

This sounds like the Welsh lobby has pressurised them into using Welsh names. I love Wales countryside, but I'm always amazed at their desire to show roadsigns with Welsh names first, English second - considering the option of tourism, I wonder how many foreign visitors struggle with them? I know I do!

Looking at Google Maps and Streetmap.co.uk, you can see occasionally both names shown. Wheelers Drive appears to perhaps be a pedestrian section at the southern end of Stryd Fawr, one map includes High Street. For Stryd y Dwr, one map has Stryd y Dwr/Water Street. For any TT owner wanting to visit Clywd Alyn Housing Association Ltd, or Maes Glanfaron Housing Association Ltd, 46-54 Water Street, Rhyl, they'd better not try navigating to Water Street, because it won't! I guess this is a good example for you to take a photo of the street nameplate to send to TomTom. I can remember previous versions which supported both languages, e.g. it would happily navigate to Heol Ysgol or School Road (that's made up because I can't remember Welsh for Church, sorry Confused )
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennis, thanks for your reply. An easy work around for the Welsh street name issue is to find out your destinations postcode and navigate to that. That method should avoid the street name I think.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully, the postcode database is correct or you're in trouble.

Despite correcting the postcode for my own address countless times, TT still feel that they know better then Royal Mail when it comes to postcodes GGRRR
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pete1336 wrote:
Dennis, thanks for your reply. An easy work around for the Welsh street name issue is to find out your destinations postcode and navigate to that. That method should avoid the street name I think.
Sure, though how you find the postcode may be a problem if all you've got is the name and address WITHOUT the postcode.
Google reveals that the postcode for those two is LL18 1SJ. Give it a try on your TomTom! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could try Royal Mail Postcode finder. Incidentally, that page is available in Welsh too.

Perhaps you need to be a beta tester for TomTom Go Go Goch to navigate correctly in Wales Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps you need to be a beta tester for TomTom Go Go Goch to navigate correctly in Wales Rolling Eyes


Good one that ;-)


Dennis, the post code you quote gives the correct location.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Welsh street naming convention Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:
I can remember previous versions which supported both languages, e.g. it would happily navigate to Heol Ysgol or School Road (that's made up because I can't remember Welsh for Church, sorry Confused )
Had you remembered the Welsh for 'Church' it would have confused things even more for School Road Shocked Or is this another of your obtuse subtleties? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like devolution has gone to there heads! Perhaps there are welsh sympathizers in TT HQ? Laughing Out Loud

On a side note, why on earth anyone would want to purposely navigate to Rhyl is beyond me! Just my opinion though Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Welsh street naming convention Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:
pete1336 wrote:
Anyone know why on this map release they have decided to use Welsh Street names eg Stryd y Dwr instead of Water Street which is actually what the street name plate reads?

This sounds like the Welsh lobby has pressurised them into using Welsh names.


This seems to be very common politically correct berhaviour nowadays....

On TomToms with "Reality View" of the roadsigns at junctions, TT usually use the first placename on the sign.
In Ireland, that is usually the Gaelic name, and I've had big discussions on another forum with someone from there who thinks the English name "that everyone uses" should be used instead
(wheras I think to be consistent the first name should always be used, as a tourist might not know EITHER language).

Also, for a while, Google maps started using the local languages for all country and city names - which meant you couldn't even find most countries if you only knew the English, and often they weren't even in our script (eg Greece).
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it is worth mentioning that Water Street in Rhyl has NOT changed in this map - it was not in map 865 either. I don't know when it changed, but it was all in English for map 675.1409, Western Europe on my Navigator 6 - not a single Heol or Stryd to be seen.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it been a MapShare corruption (sorry, "correction")??

I've noticed a few anomolies, but not sure exactly when they crept in - and that's without the complication of an additional language
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPS_fan wrote:
Has it been a MapShare corruption (sorry, "correction")??

Unlikely - I think even our own MapShare National Champion would find it hard work doing corrections for all the Welsh names! Confused
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