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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and my personal biggest hate, the MAJORITY of people who simply will not drive in a bus lane when it is NOT operating
True Andy_P, BUT that can require even greater concentration, to spot some of the frequent and cunning changes in the active timezones they use, including short surprise 'At All Times' stretches they especially like to include (in some London boroughs, anyway) - road lane signage is sometimes more devious than safety camera positioning techniques.

Sometimes I'd rather stay out of bus lanes, so I have one less non-traffic item to worry about, seeing as total concentration can be very demanding under the simplest of conditions (but I'll move over for you ... Razz )
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really get a kick out of trying to anticipate the road conditions and the other road users, so as to minimise any speed or direction changes I have to make (especially with the price of petrol!).

But to do that you have to continually adapt your driving to allow for those around you - in other words to CONCENTRATE.
For example if approaching a red traffic light, I will usually slow down so far in advance that I'm unlikely to have to stop at it, but ONLY if there's nothing behind me who might have a more normal driving style and therefore be affected by me.
I also "straight line" curves (if the visibility is good), but ONLY if there's nothing either behind OR approaching who might be spooked by it.

Unfortunately, I have to agree that this outlook seems to be very rare, and most people seem to drive in a complete daze.
For example, there are the middle lane hoggers, and my personal biggest hate, the MAJORITY of people who simply will not drive in a bus lane when it is NOT operating, thus making it impossible to overtake safely.

To me the whole point is to make as little impact on other drivers (maybe "impact" is not the best choice of word there). but to be as aware as possible of everything around you. It's all a bit 'Zen' really!


Sounds like you are clearly an 'advanced' driver, I was always taught that whatever you do shouldn't cause another driver to change course or speed ... if only they all tried to follow your example Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To me the whole point is to make as little impact on other drivers (maybe "impact" is not the best choice of word there). but to be as aware as possible of everything around you. It's all a bit 'Zen' really!

I was taught to drive by BSM nearly 50 years ago (before the current fad for millions of driving schools making fortunes out of 'minimum one lesson for each year of your age'). The one piece of "instruction" I have never forgotten and always try to follow was "Never do anything which will cause anybody else (pedestrian all the way up to meggatruck) to do something which they would not have done if you weren't there."
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I very rarely drive over the stated limit, but I would be extremely annoyed to be told I was "stupid" if I did so. What gives you the right to say that?

What gets me really annoyed though are these sanctimonious SHEEP, who think that if the speed limit was reduced to 10mph tomorrow then THAT would suddenly be the only safe speed to drive at.

Many roads have totally wrong speed limits, either too high OR too low and as someone else said already, speed in itself is not dangerous, inappropriate speed is.

Time to butt out of this topic before I say something I'll regret.


well if you are knowingly above the speed limit and you are court ?? so that makes you a genesis then??? my bad then
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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my personal biggest hate, the MAJORITY of people who simply will not drive in a bus lane when it is NOT operating, thus making it impossible to overtake safely.


I just undertake them. I don't see that undertaking in a restricted speed area is such a problem if there are two lanes marked.

It's probably going to be controversial but I don't get all this stuff about "middle lane hoggers" either. If you try to do 70 MPH in the left lane you run up to the back of HGVs (sitting on the 56 MPH / 90 km/h speed limiters) and then find that someone is taking 2 or 3 minutes to slowly creep past you at 72 MPH so you can't (safely) pull out to overtake and you end up slowing to 56 MPH.

70 MPH, I'm in the middle lane, if people want to pass then they can use the third lane or else sit behind me. I'm not going to drive along the motorway changing lanes every few hundred yards, it's dangerous.

On the bike is a bit different though. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find motorway driving both boring, and exhausting as it takes such concentration. Often I'll find a lorry that's doing 60 mph or just over and just sit 100 yards behind it for a while to get a rest!
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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70 MPH, I'm in the middle lane, if people want to pass then they can use the third lane or else sit behind me. I'm not going to drive along the motorway changing lanes every few hundred yards, it's dangerous.


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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70 MPH, I'm in the middle lane, if people want to pass then they can use the third lane or else sit behind me. I'm not going to drive along the motorway changing lanes every few hundred yards, it's dangerous.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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70 MPH, I'm in the middle lane, if people want to pass then they can use the third lane or else sit behind me. I'm not going to drive along the motorway changing lanes every few hundred yards, it's dangerous.



You don't need to every 200 yards, but you should 'if safe to do so' ... bear in mind traffic travelling in the middle of 3 lanes when the inside lane is clear is simply turning a 3 lane m way into 2 lanes and creates the jams we all hate.

As for then moving back into lane 2 to pass lorries, sounds like you need to be planning further ahead if you're getting 'stuck' in the inside lane.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Skippy wrote:
70 MPH, I'm in the middle lane, if people want to pass then they can use the third lane or else sit behind me. I'm not going to drive along the motorway changing lanes every few hundred yards, it's dangerous.



You don't need to every 200 yards, but you should 'if safe to do so' ... bear in mind traffic travelling in the middle of 3 lanes when the inside lane is clear is simply turning a 3 lane m way into 2 lanes and creates the jams we all hate.

As for then moving back into lane 2 to pass lorries, sounds like you need to be planning further ahead if you're getting 'stuck' in the inside lane.

I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with you. I very rarely drive at 70, far more comfortable with 60, so I'm in and out of lane 1 like a slow motion yo-yo. But getting out of lane 1 is often a problem. I indicate and sit there looking into my mirror for a gap, whilst the whole world slowly drags past me in the middle lane with lane 3 empty. I don't want to drive at 70 and I hate it when I have to burn up excess fuel simply in order to jump into a gap to get past something doing 56, because so many other drivers don't have the courtesy (or actually the "planning further ahead" - looking at what's ahead) to let me pull out.

When I'm in the middle lane and a lorry indicates, I will actually slow down to let him out if there's no gap for me in lane 3. How many other drivers consider the lorry driver's effort and time taken to recover from slowing down because of no gap?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I very rarely drive at 70, far more comfortable with 60,...... I hate it when I have to burn up excess fuel simply in order to jump into a gap to get past something doing 56,
So drive at 56 and save even more fuel Very Happy and a bit of the planet Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DennisN wrote:
I very rarely drive at 70, far more comfortable with 60,...... I hate it when I have to burn up excess fuel simply in order to jump into a gap to get past something doing 56,
So drive at 56 and save even more fuel Very Happy and a bit of the planet Rolling Eyes

When I drive at 56, my speed naturally fluctuates between 50 and 56, so lorries are inconvenienced by me. Driving at 60 fluctuates between 56 and 60 so I just keep ahead of them and save the planet and get that many miles to the gallon.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So stay in lane one ... simples Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So stay in lane one ... simples Rolling Eyes
That was my implication, but Dennis fluctuates from 56 to 60, which is much too fast to stay in lane one Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...I don't get all this stuff about "middle lane hoggers" either..
I agree with Skippy here, those are the times when I DO tend to stay in the middle lane (doing the going speed). there is no empty slow lane - far from it.

For me this is only usually at rush-hours on urban stretches of motorways where vehicles are travelling quite close together, quite fast, and probably that is why you don't get let out. In other circumstances there isn't the same problem, say when 'very busy' rather than heavily congested, and I find that people DO let you out as long as you signal early and wait for someone to have time to react - not like some drivers, not all lorry-drivers, who start indicating simultaneously with pulling out on top of you Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad .
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