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MaFt
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 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: Tv On Your SatNav - It Appears It's The Future... |
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 Love it or hate it, it appears that TV on your SatNav is going to be even more prevalent in the coming months and years. Mobile TV Chip company, Siano, have announced new deals with Garmin, Navigon and Mio/Navman. Personally I would prefer it if they got their routing software and map updates up to scratch first and then add the fancy extras. As much as I love watching Family Guy I doubt I would ever want to watch it on my SatNav...!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Shortly after receiving the press release I was phoned by Siano requesting a meeting at CES in January. If you have any questions regarding TV on a PND post them here and I will ask Siano about them when we meet.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Its illegal to have a TV (Or DVD) in the eye sight of a driver |
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Darren
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| worried wrote: | | Its illegal to have a TV (Or DVD) in the eye sight of a driver |
"Whilst the vehicle is in motion".
But regardless, this is not something I wish to see, there are more than enough distractions as it is and given the number of posts you see on car forums where cars have TV fitted by the manufacturer asking how to defeat the safety locks, it is clear that drivers can't be trusted to exercise common sense when using these services.
The only saving grace is that for now at least DVB signal is so poor in the UK that outside of a few city areas it will be all but impossible to receive a TV signal using the built-in aerial.
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ernstn
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I completely agree with Darren. You can almost see the headline 'mother and child killed because driver was watching TV'. Drivers should watch the road not TV! |
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NickG
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| worried wrote: | | Its illegal to have a TV (Or DVD) in the eye sight of a driver |
It's not in some countries.
EDIT: rest of post deleted because I was wrong!  - see below.
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Philip
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| NickG wrote: | | For instance in the UK, it's totally legal and some high end cars come with TVs and DVD players built into the dashboard. |
My 2001 BMW M5 has a TV built in. However, the picture only operates when the handbrake is on, and I understand that this restriction is in place to comply with UK Construction and Use legislation.
I can never understand why anybody would want to have a TV picture visible while they are driving, but the BMW forums are always active with questions about "TV In Motion" overrides.
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Darren
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It is unlawful to have a TV in a car where the driver can see it whilst the vehicle is moving. This is a specific offence rather than the catchall of careless driving.
I can't locate the actual legislation in a quick Google but it is there somewhere!
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NickG
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Sorry you're correct! I was told by two different people it was an urban myth.
| Quote: | Under Regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, it is an offence to drive a motor vehicle on a road if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television screen showing anything other than information:
(a) about the state of the vehicle or equipment;
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located;
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle;
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination. |
Source: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200102/ldhansrd/vo020114/text/20114w03.htm |
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MaFt
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| NickG wrote: | | Quote: | Under Regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, it is an offence to drive a motor vehicle on a road if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television screen showing anything other than information:
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i can just imagine some muppet claiming that he needed to have the tv on to stay awake while driving - thus it assisted them to reach their destination!!
one question i'd like to ask is the intended use of the tv - is it for in the car or for in your tent while you are camping? if the latter then, realistically, how long will the battery last? or will satnav manufacturers start including proper power supplies instead of a usb lead that simply puts the device into 'connected to computer' mode?!
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Darren
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I would hope that the TV function will be secured such that it won't work once the vehicle is moving using GPS data.
But even so, it could be easily bypassed by blocking the GPS signal.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| Darren wrote: | I would hope that the TV function will be secured such that it won't work once the vehicle is moving using GPS data.
But even so, it could be easily bypassed by blocking the GPS signal. |
That would make it an expensive portable TV though. There are much cheaper options out there.
One could argue that is is reasonable to give the "TV" to the kids in the back whilst driving down the motorway.
I have been out in Hong Kong and Taiwan and experienced Taxi Drivers watching TV whilst driving and I can tell you it is pretty scary, not a habit to be encouraged.
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jonandmarkuk
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I loved the system they showed on the Gadget show where the passenger could watch TV but the very same screen showed the GPS to the driver
Can't remember what it was though, but it was something built into the car dashboard.
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The dual screen display built in to the car was in a Range Rover its called "Dual View" by name.
As for putting TV reception in a Nav unit it shows they are running out of ideas, I would much rather see better maps with more consistant POI data and enhanced (reliable) OTA information.
I have a 7" double DIN deck in the car that can act as a GPS Nav system and it has the ability to watch DVD's or tune in to the TV, it should be wired via the handbrake so these modes can only be used with the brake on and therefore the car isn't moving, I didn't wire it up like that so I could (if I wanted to) watch the TV while driving. Any nav unit with the ability to watch TV needs to have the TV receiver disabled if the GPS detects movement, its not viable to break in to the wiring on modern cars and some don't even have a true handbrake switch these days. On my unit TV reception is dire and I have to say I never use it at all as I see it of no use. The system also feeds large monitors in the back of the front seat headrests so the kids can watch DVD while I use the unit for Nav/ Radio or mp3 etc.
I don't see any need for TV reception in a nav unit at all, reception will be fraught with issues as the cars body shell will block the TV signal, and look at any house to work out the height of the aerial needed for decent reception - They don't fit aerials low down for one very simple reason, they don't work very well - Other than a gimmick I see this idea as a waste of money to be honest - Mike |
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| mikealder wrote: | | I don't see any need for TV reception in a nav unit at all, reception will be fraught with issues as the cars body shell will block the TV signal, and look at any house to work out the height of the aerial needed for decent reception - They don't fit aerials low down for one very simple reason, they don't work very well |
I agree with all you say on the need for these but as for reception, these are Digital receivers using DVB. In some places on the continent where digital has been in use for some time you can very easily receive transmissions using a small 2in stubby antenna.
Here however where we are broadcasting digital at very low power yes, it is pointless in all but a very few places.
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