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M8TJT
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: MS do it again:-IE8 screws up PGPSW menus Reply with quote

Has anyone else upgraded? to IE8? The menus, Home, GPS Central etc. do not render correctly on either of my machines. The text is sort of cut in half, with the bottom half missing, and it seems that the fields are only about half the height that they were.
No doubt MaFt will wave his magic wand (again) Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah same here.

Can you try posting something more than 19 lines long and see if the text box starts screwing about?

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Hit enter after this line and this box jumps about if you continue typing... If you try it in IE8 you'll see what i mean.
It's doing it now......
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Updated yesterday, it only appears to affect the drop down menus on the top headers, all the forum postings seem ok
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posted then tried to refresh page and noticed the new compatability button for older browsers ajdacent to address block clicked this and now shows full letters. try it
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Microsoft have built in a do it your self patch button for compatability
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing If you look at the download on this page, a list of sites that render better in "Compatibility View", you'll find that Microsoft.com is listed! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're turning into a laughing stock and I'm amazed so many stick with them or at least with their joke of a browser.

They ignore so many agreed web standards now that it just gets silly. Why should web authors have to re-write perfectly acceptable and correctly formatted code just to comply with IE?

We amended our Newsletter code recently to use the CSS standard for improved compatibility, all well and good, much smaller file sizes, works well, loads fast, except if you use Outlook 97 as many do including businesses that can't justify the upgrade costs.

MS in their infinite wisdom chose to use Word 97's HTML render engine for Outlook to display HTML emails, and this lacks any support for standards such as CSS that have been in place for well over a decade!

Google Mail is just as bad, it doesn't render CSS and a lot of other basic code, it won't even correctly display its own emails, now that is just farcical.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also seems to fix the text box problem.....

I was sure i'd tried this...
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aj2052 wrote:
Posted then tried to refresh page and noticed the new compatability button for older browsers ajdacent to address block clicked this and now shows full letters. try it

Works for me too. Thanks AJ
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MS are a joke when it comes to web browsers!! the fact that they added a 'compatibility mode' button just proves that their code is that bad that it cannot render correct code properly..! why on earth did they release ie8? ie7 too for that matter!

i THINK that we can add some code to the site so that ie8 automatically renders it using ie7 rendering engine but then users won't see just how bad IE8 is! get yourself a decent, web-standards compliant browser such as firefox, opera or safari - all available for mac and windows.

this isn't microsoft-bashing just for the sake of it, this is IE bashing just because it chuffin' well deserves it!!

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uninstalled IE8 as soon as it screwed everything up on my daughter's machine and many others that I have heard of. FireFox works fine with Pocket GPS World and I see no advantage Laughing in even considering IE any more.

MS did announce a few weeks ago that they were going to Push the install via Microsoft Update and even gave Network & Systems Administrators specific instructions on how to stop it being deployed in the business environment.

Google Chrome, Safari and FireFox are moving up the percentages in users and this MS fiasco will certainly give those browsers a further boost.

MS - hang your heads in shame --- Oh you couldn't care less about your users, could you????

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
We amended our Newsletter code recently to use the CSS standard for improved compatibility, all well and good, much smaller file sizes, works well, loads fast, except if you use Outlook 97 as many do including businesses that can't justify the upgrade costs.

MS in their infinite wisdom chose to use Word 97's HTML render engine for Outlook to display HTML emails, and this lacks any support for standards such as CSS that have been in place for well over a decade!


10 years out mate! sorry, just spotted it :D

the issue is with Outlook 2007 using Word 2007 as it's HTML email rendering engine...!!! basically, they're admitting that IE7 (and now IE8) aren't secure enough to load html emails properly without mega security risks... their cover story was that businesses who rely on IE6 etc for custom software would face big issues if they had to upgrade to IE7/8 in order to read html emails in outlook... yeah, whatever...!

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick note on emails - use of HTML is not supported, and is deprecated.

From RFC 822

"1.2. COMMUNICATION FRAMEWORK

Messages consist of lines of text. No special provisions
are made for encoding drawings, facsimile, speech, or structured
text. No significant consideration has been given to questions
of data compression or to transmission and storage efficiency,
and the standard tends to be free with the number of bits con-
sumed. For example, field names are specified as free text,
rather than special terse codes"
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7andy wrote:
A quick note on emails - use of HTML is not supported, and is deprecated.

From RFC 822

"1.2. COMMUNICATION FRAMEWORK

Messages consist of lines of text. No special provisions
are made for encoding drawings, facsimile, speech, or structured
text. No significant consideration has been given to questions
of data compression or to transmission and storage efficiency,
and the standard tends to be free with the number of bits con-
sumed. For example, field names are specified as free text,
rather than special terse codes"


full text here: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc822/ or http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html

perhaps i've read it wrong but this dates back to 1982?

this article form may 2007: http://www.w3.org/2007/05/html-mail/html-email-standards specifically calls for web-standards to be employed in html emails - which is what our newsletter now is. yet a surprising number of email clients have yet to use them... microsoft now being the worst by using outdated methods for rendering emails...

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 1 desktop and 2 Lappies, for some reason only 2 of 3 automaticaly updated to ie8 via MS updates all geniune oem Vistas, for the life of me I cannot see any reason for updating apart from the new compatibilty button which i didnt need under ie7 anyway, unless anybody knows any better?.
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