probs with ver7

FrequentFlyer · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject:

That's all I want...more up to date maps for TT6...and no, I don't want to buy one of their stand alone units, good as they may be. Don't they remember one of the earliest marketing slogans...invented by Avis me thinks...'We never forget, you have a choice.'

aj2052 · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject:

Peter, I never suggested that there is a version 8 for PDAs my comment is related purely to map updates or lack of them, also i am not aware of pirates issuing an EULA with the software, and if i am wrong any breaches legally apply to the original purchaser and not the downloader, I for one am unashamedly trying ttn7 which installed and running perfectly on my PDA with the additional functions which i find usefull, but I would still prefer a legal copy with some uptodate maps.
I totally concur with Frequent Flyer because with the majority of suppliers predomently using teleatlas maps it would seem that maybe TomTom as owners of teleatlas are also stifling the market and thus holding back me and others from changing paths.
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mikealder · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject:

Just for the record, the latest version 725 maps are compiled from the same data used for the 810 maps, they just have the IQ Routes and Advanced Lane Guidance/ Reality view parts omitted.
There is no point in trying a version 8 map on the PDA version 7 navigator as it cannot use this functionality - Mike

peterc10 · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject:

Adamj · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:

After using ttn7 with the (so-called) latest maps for a while, the software really has a couple of nice features. Map correction,auto close preview window and quick menu are worth switching over to ttn7 but the software is severely let down by the teleatlas maps. How tomtom even have the nerve to call them "latest" is beyond me.

Better of sticking with the last navteq ones unless you want a nice teleatlas downgrade.

Mullet · Frequent Visitor Joined: Dec 12, 2005 Posts: 1051

Sorry, I just dont get it.

The application software was once freeware, and the mapping data software was the licensed payware.

Has the EULA changed?

peterc10 · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject:

aj2052 · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:

Peter you are only giving your opinion and not a true legal definition in your case you are reading a contract that exists between you as a purchaser and tomtom as the seller and that is preety well where it ends,

I am not aware of anybody ever being pursued for downloading or using copyright material, the problem occurs for you or anybody who shares or sells copyright material, I personally spent over £6000 on solicitors and barristers pursuing a copyright infridgement which was ultimately settled out of court, although it was ten years ago i did look very thoroughly into this at the time so do have some knowledge on this issue but by no means claim to be an expert, I am am also aware that the copyright act did change around that time.
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peterc10 · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject:

Yep ..... everything is opinion ...... that's what forums are for

For the last 10 years or so I have been trained in, and then made a living out of, reading and interpreting contracts and the law, writing contracts and arguing about (or deciding) what they all mean. Hence my sad propensity to actual go and read the contracts and legislation (for software passed back in 1988) before I put finger to keyboard.

My previous post only paraphrased the words (although the actual words I used were for the most part all there in the EULA) for the fear of sending everybody off to sleep (which if truth be known they already are with this long running saga). And Sections 16, 17 and 96 of the 1988 Act are clear as to how infringement of copyright takes place and what the owner can do.

Of course the chances of the copyright owner successfully persuing you is, as you have found out, fraught with practical difficulties. And of course there is also a big difference between breaching somebody's rights and carrying out a criminal offence.

However this is exactly the same principle as those who use certain sites to download music - in the legislation computer software is lumped in the same definition that includes music. And we have all read some recent high profile cases of the music industry successfully persuing private individuals, admittedly in extreme cases, in order to discourage the rest of us.

I am just not convinced that the we should do something that the law prohibits simply because we will almost certainly get away with it.
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Mullet · Frequent Visitor Joined: Dec 12, 2005 Posts: 1051

OK I read the EULA (yawn) which mainly consists of TomTom disclaimers and seems to differ from the pre TTHome licence IIRC.

However as PeterC points out the software is allowable unmodified on one device only.

Since v7 has been removed from an original device (Diamond), and in the case of the "repacks" has been modified, my unqualified opinion would place v7 from alternate sources into the dodgy box on both counts.

Since the term "software" is not clearly defined AFAIK, I would assume this to mean all "bits and bytes" be it the application or mapping data.

The fact that a map can be purchased legally from TT for use with the application from a non approved source, seems to be a loop-hole of their making, from which they are willing to profit or are unable/unwilling to rectify currently.

FrequentFlyer

What would be the marketing rationale of only releasing it on one product, one network, in Germany only ? Would you not want to maximise the margin throughout their total market, and of course, retain customer loyalty ? Not even available on their home base as far as I have found out. In my opinion, they deserve to lose market share.
All 'Double Dutch' to me.

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peterc10 · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject:

Darren · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject:

mxmaciek · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject:

The TomTom 7 for PDA availability policy seems to be similar like iGo8 one.
TomTom7 is available with some smartphones in Germany & Poland, while officially there is no possibility to buy it. Of course, plenty of sites are offering TT7 for WM2003, 2003SE, WM5 or WM6 with 725 (latest) maps.
Similar situation become with iGo8, which nev version (8.3.1.) together with 2008.07 TA maps are avialable basically with Samsung Omnia from some operators.
There is no possibility to update maps even via official way to the 2008.07 ones.
Both companies are presenting well known "sell and forget" tactics, and as the consequence they should consider that some peoples will be anger a little, when bought LEGAL version of soft & maps and have limited possibilities to update compared to pirated versions users.
I can tell (even if I'm proud owner of 2 licenses: iGo & TT), that there is no matter of price: it's just the availability issue:
with pirated version you're up to date, while with legal stuff you have stuck behind.

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