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CaptainBlue
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: M11 Ghost Camera Locations Reply with quote

The M11 between the A406 and the Stansted Airport junction is - according to the database - littered with speed cameras, yet I don't recall seeing any other than the fixed one at the bottom of the M11.

Are the 'ghost' ones ever removed from the db?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current map shows a total of 9 cams between the points described, and a few on side roads that may cause false alarms. 7 of the 9 are mobile sites that have been verified, which means that they have been seen by several people and the site verified as suitable by one of our verifiers. The 8th is a provisional mobile, not yet verified, and the 9th is the fixed cam that you refer to.
So all but the fixed cams are sites for mobile cameras, and you may be 'lucky' enough to see one in action, but if you disable mobile cameras, you masy be 'lucky' enough to be caught by one. I am working on the assumption that you occasionaly stray over the speed limit, otherwise you would not use a speed camera 'detection' system Very Happy
If a mobile cam has not been seen for, I think it's 6 months, it is deleted from the database but I personally would sooner be warned of a possible cam, than not be warned at all.
There are a whole bunch of SPECS cams just north of Stanstead that have been removed from the database already.
I hope that this explains your conundrum.

Edit. As I have just read your post in the 'Rules for submissions for mobile sites', you are obviously aware of the nature of mobile sites, so please ignore my previous comments re mobiles. Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M8TJT wrote:
7 of the 9 are mobile sites that have been verified


I'll have another look tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure that at least one site is in the middle of a straight stretch with no bridges and no laybys even, so unlikely to be a location.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How up to date is your database?

Are you sure you don't have some old database files on your sat nav?

Can you not run a demo route to see which cameras they are?

If you get the camera type and numbers we can see what's going on. ie.e Mobile:12345

Also have a look at the Camera Submission page here and see if you can identify the cameras.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptainBlue wrote:
I'll have another look tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure that at least one site is in the middle of a straight stretch with no bridges and no laybys even, so unlikely to be a location.

I don't know this area personally but the Surrey Camera Partnership have taken to operating their vans from the hard shoulder of the M25. They operate from behind barriers that are present in some places adjacent to the hard shoulder.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 11 Mobile & pMobile cameras between A406 and M11 J8. Stansted - I use this section of the M11 quite regularly and 4 of these locations I must admit I have to dispute as being unlikely. The other 7 are shown as being on overbridges or service slips and therefore feasible although I have never witnessed any - but that is the thing about mobiles as we all appreciate - they are a 'fluid' item.

Of the unlikelies, 2 are on the hard-shoulder of the M11 on a bridge crossing a road below, so there is no room for vehicle safety and therefore highly unlikely to be used now (if ever), the third is also entered as being on the hard-shoulder on the run down to the M25 and the fourth one is on the shoulder at J8 where the Airport link slips off. These will be referred to MaFt via Verifiers Submissions for his thoughts.

The confirmed Gatso at the bottom end of the M11 at Gasworks Bend is long established and is there for safety purposes - unless you have experienced the effect of that bend at 90, then you would not realise its killer potential (it is a flat curve with no camber and the only way out was to keep the power on) and those sorts of speeds used to occur with catastrophic results, hence the limit being introduced.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaTe wrote:
Of the unlikelies, 2 are on the hard-shoulder of the M11 on a bridge crossing a road below, so there is no room for vehicle safety and therefore highly unlikely to be used now (if ever),

If you have a look at the hybrid map, you can see some markings on the southbound that look like speed cam markings. However they are on the hard shoulder and lane one, so could thate have once been a temp cam for roadworks? at this location that has reported as a mobile or could it someone reporting the lines on the road?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi M8TJT

I did use hybrid originally and I agree re the particular road markings on the Southbound track and there may have been a Temp Gatso when roadworks were in progress (they have just upgraded the signalling system with new cabling/information panels), but I cannot readily recall it.

As far as setting up Temp Mobile cameras, it is highly unlikely as there is no safety facility such as an elevated ramp and I can assure you that ExPol policy even towards broken-down motorists was always to encourage the driver and any passengers to get out of their vehicle and stand on the bank (no matter the weather), rather than risk life & limb sitting in the stationary vehicle and therefore patrols would not take that risk with a camera set-up either.

I am sure you can see where I am coming from.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi JaTe
I think that you possibly slightly mis-understood my previous post. I was not disagreeing with you, but supporting your comments. Very Happy My banging on about the lines was just a supposition as to how the cams possibly got into the database in the first place. From the Hybrid view, it certainly looks a dodgy place to park, unless the plods shin up the bank from the road below, which also seems unlikely to me. Very Happy But I havn't been there lately, so what do I know? Rolling Eyes
Of course my mistype 'so could thate have once been a temp cam for roadworks' didn't help Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem M8TJT - I did misinterpret your comment in the first instant, however we are of the same mind at the end of the day, so all is well Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaTe wrote:
....The confirmed Gatso at the bottom end of the M11 at Gasworks Bend is long established and is there for safety purposes - unless you have experienced the effect of that bend at 90, then you would not realise its killer potential (it is a flat curve with no camber and the only way out was to keep the power on) and those sorts of speeds used to occur with catastrophic results, hence the limit being introduced.


I have the up-to-date database (12/11) on my Garmin Nuvi and for some reason, this scamera is no longer on the database.....has there been a bug this week? I passed it on Saturday around 6pm and no warning or icon was given. Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's still on the database and in the last release?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the camera number?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
It's still on the database and in the last release?


I'll be passing it again on Tuesday afternoon and will report back. I have re-downloaded the database today just in case of a corrupt file.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulB2005 wrote:
What's the camera number?


I'm not sure where I get that info from, but here's a screen shot of it's location: http://tinyurl.com/5rsm2n
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