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JimmyTheHand
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DennisN wrote:
By the way Jimmy, don't you use the report methods to hear about new camera releases? - go to the notification page and at the bottom click on Watch this Topic and you'll get an email every time a new one is released. There's also the RSS feed method, but I don't know how that works - too technical for an oldie like me!

Good ideas though. Keep 'em coming.


The problem with those methods (other than yet another email )- they tell me when it happens and rely on me to bring the unit out of the car then. what I generally do is update before I go on journey (other than normal work - any changes there I am liable to know before on updates)- which may be several weeks/couple of months apart.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to be a repetetive bore, but I have voiced this one previously as noted by 253.
I feel very strongly that the POI database could be more attractive than the Camera Database to some users, if it was completely accurate, up to date and easily downloadable.
Even if it meant taking on some POI verifiers, or employing another MaFt (sorry MaFt, but we need more like you!), I believe that this alone would increase interest in the website.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly one for long term expansion......If the Directors at PGPSW could enter into a partnership with a good manufacturer, you could play TomTom at their own game!
Imagine, a one stop shop where you can purchase a reliable satnav, designed and built by the people who really know what is needed. In addition to that it comes with an excellent camera and POI database.
Go on Darren, he who dares wins! First
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom59 wrote:
If the Directors at PGPSW could enter into a partnership with a good manufacturer, you could play TomTom at their own game!

My personal view on a collaboration like this would involve a signifficant lowering in standards to meet the other parties current ability, therefore we would se a reduction in accuracy of the POI database - Mike
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking along the lines of people like Nokia, Phillips, Bang & Olufson etc., really good electronics manufacturers. There should be no reason for us to lower our standards, in fact the reverse! The manufacturer has to come up to our standard.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi are there any partnerships or forum members that I could link in with now that we are livining in Canada? There are quite a few red lights and the cops love their speed guns Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it's worth saying that where a member has supported us in this way over and above the 'norm' then it is normal for us to reward them and we have done so on many occasions although we don't as a matter of course publicise this.

I did, of course, think that this was the case. But I also think that if you could sometimes publicise the making of such rewards (even in fairly non-specific terms), it could encourage other support.

As for suggestions on the site, I think that it could also streamline it if older material could be put into an archive, referenced 'on request'. In such a fast moving market for example, the reviews can become less relevant, such as the 2003 review of the Garmin Street Pilot III Deluxe. Instructions can also (naturally!) become a bit out of date, such as the the database download instructions for some devices, and newer devices may not be completely represented. I think my main point here is to make the most relevant information to CURRENT members more readily available.

Can the search facility be made more specific or with more options (or clearer instructions given for thickies like me!)? As more posts are made to the site I have found it increasingly difficult to find information I am looking for, such as references I have seen in the past which may relate to a current query. As an example, providing for multiple keywords in a "search for all terms" occurring within a short range of words/sentences or a page, rather than anywhere within a thread. When I have looked it was sometimes very timeconsuming to home in on the post in question, amounting almost to a trawl in many cases. If no one else has this problem then ignore it, but I do suspect others find a similar difficulty, when you consider how many queries get raised where the issue HAS been covered previously (yes, some people ARE lazy I know). I think though that this is quite an important issue for such an information-rich website as yours.

I support the partneship suggestion made earlier and don't think quality need be compromised. You already have licensing arrangements with some map publishers, and given the extensive downloading facilities you provide for all sorts of makes, satnav companies could surely provide a convenient interface facility for downloads, and/or include the most recent versions in their map updates (eg Navigon's 3-monthly map update).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikealder wrote:
Tom59 wrote:
If the Directors at PGPSW could enter into a partnership with a good manufacturer, you could play TomTom at their own game!

My personal view on a collaboration like this would involve a signifficant lowering in standards to meet the other parties current ability, therefore we would se a reduction in accuracy of the POI database - Mike


How about finding software writers to create a new application for the PDA market.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigPerk wrote:
Can the search facility be made more specific or with more options (or clearer instructions given for thickies like me!)?

This is a perennial (for me). I would imagine the difficulty is for the site to be able to handle just how you do a search. For example, you want to know about the traffic stuff, just exactly what do you type in the search box? And just exactly what do I type in the search box to find the same information - you type "traffic", I type TMC. Then what does a posting person type to match up with that? - how do we find the brilliantly helpful post which only ever talks about the RDS and congestion, accidents, poor weather etc, without actually using the words Traffic or TMC? Maybe a bit of a ridiculous idea, but you get the idea I hope. The problem is often that you need to know what you're looking for and in my case, I often don't!!

So I settle for several words and then literally trawl. Sure, it's hard work at times, but I tend to get there in the end and I'd be a bit afraid that if the facility were tightened, I might not.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean DennisN - as a light OT aside on word recognition, I originally mispelt "as" in my previous email by adding an extra "s". I now know that if you want to be rude to someone (never me!) you can call them a donkey but NOT an ass.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom59 wrote:
Possibly one for long term expansion......If the Directors at PGPSW could enter into a partnership with a good manufacturer, you could play TomTom at their own game!
Imagine, a one stop shop where you can purchase a reliable satnav, designed and built by the people who really know what is needed. In addition to that it comes with an excellent camera and POI database.
Go on Darren, he who dares wins! First

I wont say never, but it is unlikely we will partner with one particular company for anything. One of the reasons we are so popular is that we try to remain unbiased and not promote any one company over another.

If we were to partner say Nokia or Garmin, then it is less likely that we would receive the same level of support and information flow that we do with the other companies. We do of course offer the SatNav companies the opportunity to use our services, but we offer them to everyone, not just a single company.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom59 wrote:
I feel very strongly that the POI database could be more attractive than the Camera Database to some users, if it was completely accurate, up to date and easily downloadable.
Even if it meant taking on some POI verifiers, or employing another MaFt (sorry MaFt, but we need more like you!), I believe that this alone would increase interest in the website.

This is of course a very difficult proposition. The scale of the POI database is potentially 100 times that of the Speed Cameras, we would need far more verifiers and admins to accomplish this task. One of the problems we would have is funding the project. Currently there is no charge for the POI database, to recruit the admins and verifiers for this we would have to start charging. This would raise a lot of issues with people who are happy with the way the POI database is at the moment.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigPerk wrote:

I support the partneship suggestion made earlier and don't think quality need be compromised. You already have licensing arrangements with some map publishers, and given the extensive downloading facilities you provide for all sorts of makes, satnav companies could surely provide a convenient interface facility for downloads, and/or include the most recent versions in their map updates (eg Navigon's 3-monthly map update).

We currently have an API interface into the speed camera database for manufacturers to take advantage of this allows them to develop a link to the speed cameras from their PC maintenance application. If there are any manufacturers or software companies out there that want information on this please contact m i k e @ pocketgpsworld.com
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been a long time admirer of the work you guys have done with this site but there is one aspect I disagree with, and this is one that you break arbitrarily, in that you are not prepared to review products unless the respective company is willing to distribute samples to you via their marketing department.

My view is that if you are willing to break it you should do for all relevant products.

If you are going to continue to be the authority on all things GPS surely you should review products from the likes of Snooper, Road Angel and others, therefore providing an authoritative view rather than taking the high and might attitude that if they are not willing to provide a sample then they are not worth looking at. Unless they happen to be made by Sony or Apple!!

Please accept this as constructive criticism.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Richard, I take your point but we can and often do get review products from many different sources including manufacturers, distributors and retailers.

There is no hard and fast rule, with the PSP for example I had been trying for some months to get a Go!Explore kit from SonyUK and they had promised one. When it finally appeared for sale I chose to purchase instead rather than wait for a sample to materialise.

Some companies handle the issue of review units very well and recognise the value, some choose to supply to mainstream printed magazines and other outlets first and others would appear to avoid specialist sites such as ours perhaps becauase we actually review the units whereas an arbitary review in Stuff or Auto Express is almost completely worthless as the basis of a purchase decision!

However, you do mention Snooper and Road Angel. These are a specific case as we have consciously avoided them in the past because of the conflict with us all operating a speed camera database service.

I have reviewed a Road Angel 9000 and concentrated on the navigation side and alert features rather than directly compare the database but this is a tightrope and its also much more difficult to obtain review units because of the conflict.

Whilst in an ideal world we could simply purchase any device we wanted to review, at 400+ for some systems we're not in a position to go out and buy them ourselves every time? There is no 'high and mighty' attitude in this regard. If we believe a device will be very popular or particularly worth reviewing and we cannot obtain a review unit then we will consider a purchase but it is not something we can do in all cases nor would anyone else.
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