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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:31 am    Post subject: "GPS failing? Blame the Northern Lights" Reply with quote

Article in The Telegraph:

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Spectacular displays created by the Northern Lights cause satellite navigation systems to go awry, scientists have found.

When they are working, sat-navs can help motorists pick their way through even the most twisting of routes. When they fail without warning, they can leave drivers lost and may even cause accidents.

Scientists have discovered that the natural light shows of the Northern Lights – or Aurora Borealis – interfere with the signals from global positioning satellites, which are used by sat-navs to pinpoint the locations of vehicles, boats and aircraft.

See http://tinyurl.com/5n4qtl

Is there any evidence of failing sat nav units causing accidents? Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears to me that all 24 satellites would have to be affected but they are spread around the Globe with 12 overhead wherever you are in the World. Only 4 sats. are needed for 3D navigation purposes and devices use signals from the strongest 4. They way I see it at least 9 of the 12 would have to be affected to cause any problems.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suppose it depends how far north you are, is there a diagram of the sats in relation to the earth, i presume they must be geo stationary anyway
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is there a diagram of the sats in relation to the earth

Have a look HERE
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gardenshed wrote:
i presume they must be geo stationary anyway

No, they're not geostationary ... that's what i always thought until I got a satnav and decided to understand how it works! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a common misquote. The Navstar satellites are in a semi-geosynchronous orbit not geostationary, i.e. they move constantly in predicted orbits.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

however, these orbits _do_ leave holes over both poles. You can see that when you let VisualGPS or other tools plot the locations for over 12 hours.

Combined with the northern lights this is certainly affecting navigation, but only in the extreme polar regions, above/below +/- 70 degrees
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost_Property wrote:
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is there a diagram of the sats in relation to the earth

Have a look HERE


interesting, goes on to explain how the signal is interrupted by mother nature as well Wink
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