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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject:
DennisN wrote:
Don't any of you ever ponder how many seconds earlier you get "there" by pushing the limit instead of staying within it?
In town, a few MPH extra can make a massive difference to your journey time. Pootle along at 25 MPH and that green light in front of you will change to red and you will have to stop for 2 or 3 minutes until it changes green again. Get a bit of speed on and you are much more likely to make it through the green light. True, you might get stopped at the next red light, but often it only takes a bit of extra speed to find a gap through the sequences of traffic lights and it makes a massive difference to your journey time, not to mention fuel consumption (and CO2 emissions if you believe in that) from not having to stop and start all the time....
As for the SPECS trials - Ken Livingstone would ban cars if he had the chance. It's just another tool to beat motorists up with and make more money of course. _________________ Gone fishing!
In town, a few MPH extra can make a massive difference to your journey time. Pootle along at 25 MPH and that green light in front of you will change to red and you will have to stop for 2 or 3 minutes until it changes green again. Get a bit of speed on and you are much more likely to make it through the green light.
In an ideal world!
This used to be possable on sections of the A30. Not anymore!
All the lights have been touched by ken, now the sequences are all over the place.
How could this system get around traffic lights? You would have to speed off like a raging banshee to get enough average speed to be nicked in the first place. _________________ Dom
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:
A friend of mine's step son works in Norwich programming speed cameras apparently. He was saying that work is currently underway to connect all cameras by network.
Apparently this will allow live software updates (limit changes and the like) and presumable it'll allow the use of digital cameras in more boxes too (a-la specs).
Now the cynic in me also thinks that this will also allow more cameras to be used for average speed enforcement too, probably as well as ANPR cameras and anything else that uses NPR technology to work (all those nice blue traffic master boxes for example that digitize your number-plate to work out how fast you have been traveling along a stretch of road and thus traffic flow).
And that's before we all have tracker boxes in out cars...
With regard to the speed debate also raging in this thread...
There is a world of difference between speeding and inappropriate speed. Speeding is not necessarily dangerous in itself, no matter how fast you go, providing the conditions are appropriate. Inappropriate speed is!
Unfortunately, in the good old days we had speed detectors that knew the difference and if you got caught speeding but it was inappropriate you got a slap on the wrist and sent on your way having been told to slow down in future. If, on the other hand, they felt the speed was inappropriate you got done.
Unfortunately this requires coppers on the beat but the current trend is to use technology to enforce road traffic offenses and a computer can't make the same sort of judgement calls. Thus we have now become obsessed with speed limits being intransigent maximum speeds, limits that were set in the 1960's when cares were a lot heavier and had crap breaks.
.............maybe it's more likely to catch those racing around late at night - or is there still loads of traffic even then?
stuff like this makes me glad i live in a field surrounded by fields.
MaFt
Night driving in London can be just as bad - traffic Jams.
It has become a 'trend' to now carry out general maintenance and roadworks at night and on several occasions have found a section of the North Circular missing, I have had to 're-route' myself South into the city to get out to the East. _________________ TomTom Go 60
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:06 am Post subject:
GJF wrote:
MaFt wrote:
.............maybe it's more likely to catch those racing around late at night - or is there still loads of traffic even then?
stuff like this makes me glad i live in a field surrounded by fields.
MaFt
Night driving in London can be just as bad - traffic Jams.
It has become a 'trend' to now carry out general maintenance and roadworks at night and on several occasions have found a section of the North Circular missing, I have had to 're-route' myself South into the city to get out to the East.
fair enough so i agree with the posts that these will be pretty pointless if it is virtually impossible to speed in london!
still, let's not forget this is a TRIAL that may not actually end p being used - look how long the blackwall tunnel specs have been on trial?!
And that's before we all have tracker boxes in out cars...
With regard to the speed debate also raging in this thread...
There is a world of difference between speeding and inappropriate speed. Speeding is not necessarily dangerous in itself, no matter how fast you go, providing the conditions are appropriate. Inappropriate speed is!
Unfortunately, in the good old days we had speed detectors that knew the difference and if you got caught speeding but it was inappropriate you got a slap on the wrist and sent on your way having been told to slow down in future. If, on the other hand, they felt the speed was inappropriate you got done.
Unfortunately this requires coppers on the beat but the current trend is to use technology to enforce road traffic offenses and a computer can't make the same sort of judgement calls. Thus we have now become obsessed with speed limits being intransigent maximum speeds, limits that were set in the 1960's when cares were a lot heavier and had crap breaks.
Hougw
Well put. I think this is where the resentment comes in, with the cameras. Cameras do not work on "fuzzy logic" (like a police officer) where discretion may be factored into the equation.
With the cameras it's definitive. End of. _________________ HTC OneX (IceCreamSandwich), HTC DesireHD (Gingerbread) Co-Pilot Premium, GoogleMaps+CamerAlert352
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They're on trial along the A30, Salisbury at the moment!! _________________ HTC OneX (IceCreamSandwich), HTC DesireHD (Gingerbread) Co-Pilot Premium, GoogleMaps+CamerAlert352
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Not too sure. Never really noted, as too buzy concentrating looking at the speedo, to ensure I do not exceed the 29.8mph. Don't want to be caught by one of those !! _________________ HTC OneX (IceCreamSandwich), HTC DesireHD (Gingerbread) Co-Pilot Premium, GoogleMaps+CamerAlert352
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject:
This just occurred to me, I've not checked it, and if quoted and I'm wrong, I'll deny all knowledge, if right, I'll claim all credit ;)
I thought that permenant fixtures, like mobile phone installations (masts), poles of whatever sort, etc. on a street, had to be subject to the same Planning Laws as everything else?
If this is the case, how the hell have we missed this? If Planning Permission is required for all "street furniture", where've the consultations been? Have we had opportunities to protest the establishment of even one fixed-point "Safety Camera"?
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