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ThistleWhistle
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else think that 30 second intervals are too long to record waypoints? With Garmins, you can set to record every second, or use the Smart Record option, which saves waypoints at every change in direction. Both produce a very accurate record of your route.

The Active 10's 30 second recording leaves me with a lot of cut off corners, and twisty section's as straight lines.

A 'smart-record' style would be great on the Active 10, and would save me having to edit my converted routes.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThistleWhistle wrote:
Does anyone else think that 30 second intervals are too long to record waypoints? With Garmins, you can set to record every second, or use the Smart Record option, which saves waypoints at every change in direction. Both produce a very accurate record of your route.

The Active 10's 30 second recording leaves me with a lot of cut off corners, and twisty section's as straight lines.

A 'smart-record' style would be great on the Active 10, and would save me having to edit my converted routes.


A ha! So that's why the recorded track on the Active 10 is comparatively crude. I too have noticed several examples of "corner cutting" when reviewing the record of my cycle ride. I wonder if the Satmap designers have focussed on walkers and considered cyclists only as an afterthought?

Re. the "smart-record" in Garmin - how do you set this up? I have a GPSmap 60CSx and the Track Setup menu offers only "Distance", "Time" or "Auto" in "Record Method" and in "Interval" a choice from five settigns ranging from "Most Often" to "Least Often" (Perhaps my unit doesn't have this "Smart Record" mode?)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

took the unit out for a get to know how to use.
The walk is about 6 miles from base camp.
I bought a National Park card.
Well i didnt take the mini manual and did over half the walk before
I cottoned on to the fact that when IT asks you IF
you wish to view the map the RESPONSE should be NO.
Finger trouble :-((((

After that little hiccup it had left a snail trail but mostly in the resevoir that i was circumnavigating.
The sun is rather low and the screen was not terribly easy to read.
Anyway early days.
A few more local walks BEFORE i give it a real trial in 'virgin' territory
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although the A-10 isn't designed for in-car use, an advantage it has over Tom-Tom is that you can use it 'off-piste' in towns. I have it wedged between the window-post and the dash, so I can still pan/zoom. At the weekend I used it to get out of a traffic jam in the middle of Liverpool, without being told to go back to the pre-ordained route or having to wait to be given a new route.
It'd be nice if they could find time to develop a windscreen mount!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Repeated my walk of yesterday in the opposite direction.
Everything was spot on; the snail trail was where it should have been
etc.
My previous observation is due to the fact that I had the machine set on
shut down after several minutes.
So when i switched back on; the device did an approximation of WHERE it
thought i had been.

After resetting the device last night for On while so 'wishing'
no bother.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well i didnt take the mini manual and did over half the walk before
I cottoned on to the fact that when IT asks you IF
you wish to view the map the RESPONSE should be NO.
Finger trouble :-((((


nonoftheabove,

Could you explain what you mean by this? If you select CANCEL instead of VIEW MAP, what does this change/do/improve?

Regards,


Richard
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Map Scale Reply with quote

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Hi All,

I have a general question to everyone here. I have purchased the 1:25K scale map for my county, but looking at the prices of maps etc. on the SatMap site this scale map is very expensive.

What I would like to know from you all is whether you think I could use the 1:50K scale map for general walking AND trips to the Lake District, Breacon Beacons etc, or do you think I should get the 1:25K scale? If you look at the prices for the Parks in 1:25K scale they are all £99.99, except the Cairngorms which is £124.99. Confused Confused Confused

Each of these cards come in the 1:25k and 1:50K scale, but you can buy a card which has ALL 20 park areas for £39.99, but it is only in the 1:50K scale.

I don't want to splash out £40 for a collection of areas on a card that is not really the scale I should use or be happy with, but then again I don't want to pay £100 for an area which I will not be walking every week. That said I don't really want to be taking paper maps with me for reference, as this unit is supposed to replace them.

I would appreciate peoples feed back on this concern so I can make an informed decission on what to buy.

To everyone, thanks for your advice and help in advance.

Regards,


Richard Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Map Scale Reply with quote

[quote="Yasack"]

What I would like to know from you all is whether you think I could use the 1:50K scale map for general walking AND trips to the Lake District, Breacon Beacons etc, or do you think I should get the 1:25K scale?

Hi Richard,
- a couple of thoughts;

OS 1:25k is definitely the best mapping for walking. To be able to follow the line of every dry-stone wall, stream beds etc is extremely satisfying and definitely adds to the pleasure of being in the Great Outdoors.

Although expensive, they cover a large a large, seamless area. This allows rapid (and as detailed as you could wish for) panning of an entire national park in a way which is not possible with paper maps.

Do you know anyone with an Active 10? Swapping/borrowing is a good idea - a mate of mine has a unit and I tried his Lakes card which works fine.

I'm spreading the cost of 1:25k mapping by just buying as and when I need it ie probably a couple per year. Because I live on the border of 3 counties one of my first maps was a customised job, with my village as the centre. (I do loads of bike rides out from home.)

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Map Scale Reply with quote

Yasack wrote:
Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question Question

Hi All,

I have a general question to everyone here. I have purchased the 1:25K scale map for my county, but looking at the prices of maps etc. on the SatMap site this scale map is very expensive.


It's very difficult to advise you on what you should do as I'm a road going cyclist, not a walker. The thing that has be puzzled by the fearsome 1:25K pricing is easily demonstrated by the National Trail series....the price for the 100 mile South Downs Way is the same as the 132 mile Glyndwr's Way, the same as the 269 mile Penine Way and the same as the 320 mile South West Coast Path Part 2 at £99 each.....somebody somewhere is being very lazy when it comes to pricing these things up.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Active 10 visibility and battery life Reply with quote

I have used mine for one walk and four cycle (road) rides. My experience is that when walking, screen visibility is reasonable, primarily because the user automatically positions the unit at exactly the right distance from his/her eyes and at 90 degrees to the sightline. When walking, my only problem was strong sunlight falling on the screen - I had to shade the screen and/or turn up the backlight.

However, on the bike things are more difficult. The unit has to be at 90 degrees to sightline, so has to be mounted quite precisely on the handlebars. If it's set at an angle, reflection, even in average light, renders it unreadable. I couldn't for example, mount mine on the handlebar stem for this reason. My experience has been that I need at a minimum of 70% and probably 80% backlight to be safe.

It might be argued that some of my problem stems from using 60 year old eyes! Maybe, but I can say only that the Garmin doesn't present these problems and I never need the backlight on at all. Oddly, the more light that falls on it, the more easily readable it is. They seem to have cracked the "non-reflectice screen"issue.

Using the backlight at such high levels has a disasterous effect on battery life. Using fully charged 2700M/Hr NiMH AA cells gave 1hr 28mins before losing one of the four battery condition blocks and approx 4hr 30mins saw the unit exhibit "Battery Critical" and auto shut down. When I purchased my unit, I spoke on the telephone to Satmap and was told I could expect real world battery life of about 8hrs from the Energizer Lithiums as supplied or 13 to 14hrs with the rechargeable lithium polymer battery pack. I didn't think to ask about NiMH batteries, unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikealder wrote:
I am not too sure why there is a current draw when the device is off, it could be supplying the GPS but I have no way of telling at the moment


I listen to Radio 5 (medium wave) a lot when I ride my bike and from time to time I can hear a pulse every second if my chest mounted radio gets close to the Active 10.....sometimes I hear it even when the unit hasn't been turned on...for example for the first two hours of the ride I did today.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yasack wrote:
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Well i didnt take the mini manual and did over half the walk before
I cottoned on to the fact that when IT asks you IF
you wish to view the map the RESPONSE should be NO.
Finger trouble :-((((


nonoftheabove,

Could you explain what you mean by this? If you select CANCEL instead of VIEW MAP, what does this change/do/improve?

Regards,
well when you switch the device on in my case it found that an SD
card was present.
It then came up with a screen image stating i had a national park and which area was in the device.
at this moment one has a choice
view map OR cancel.
LIKE a twit i chose view map
THAT puts you into PLANNING mode and directs you to the CENTRE of the mapped area, I like a fool then used the joystick to navigate to the zone area where i was.
NOW if you press CANCEL that puts you into GPS and the cursor is on your current position It also presumes one has signal lock.
BASICALLY the view map is to do the plan route
cancel button goes to GPS mode
The manual does mention about toggling between the two modes.
As i tried to state I left home on my first trip without the manual - i had read it well obviously not very well.

Richard
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you could just press the bottom left soft key...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the scroll bar on their web site mentions counties at 1.25000 scale, but no mention of how to order one...or have I missed something here. Also, they talked about being able to order a bespoke map....like you can with OS, but again I see no way of being able to do this ?
I've written a nice note to Santa, and have put put one of these devices on my Christmas list. As a long distance walker I hope I won't be disappointed ....unless you know different ??
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FrequentFlyer wrote:
I see the scroll bar on their web site mentions counties at 1.25000 scale, but no mention of how to order one...or have I missed something here. Also, they talked about being able to order a bespoke map....like you can with OS, but again I see no way of being able to do this ?
I've written a nice note to Santa, and have put put one of these devices on my Christmas list. As a long distance walker I hope I won't be disappointed ....unless you know different ??

They will do you anything you want. ring up and speak to Mark about a county or any other area in 1:25 but not cheap for a big area
By the time you get it hopefully they may have sorted most of the teething probs ????
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