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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the 1970's I was stopped in broad daylight by Mr Plod in the New Forest because I had two 10" Cibie spot lamps mounted below the front bumper on my Fiesta.

It was explained to me at the time that it would be illegal for me to use them except in fog or falling snow as they were not in line with the regular headlights.

I suppose the rules have changed now though.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'd never be legal to use on the road in that position, only lights designed as fog lights (they have a different lens pattern) may be used as fog lights.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

999tommo wrote:
....anyway, a front fog lamp can be upto 1200mm from the ground.......


What vehicle would that cover?
Or is it a rule from the past that should have been updated but wasn't!

I thought that the idea fog lights were low, is that was where it gave the fog some penetration without glare 'bouncing' back!

I can remember driving on country roads in 'pea soup' fog in Suffolk in the 1970's where none of the lights including fog made any difference.

If you had to travel (and you did your best not to) it was a case of opening the side window and trying to find the lines and cats eyes in the centre of the road to stop you driving off road, without them you were doomed.
Fortunately traffic was rare, so staying on the road was priority over hitting a car in front.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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999tommo wrote:
....anyway, a front fog lamp can be upto 1200mm from the ground.......


What vehicle would that cover?
Or is it a rule from the past that should have been updated but wasn't!

I thought that the idea fog lights were low, is that was where it gave the fog some penetration without glare 'bouncing' back!

I can remember driving on country roads in 'pea soup' fog in Suffolk in the 1970's where none of the lights including fog made any difference.

If you had to travel (and you did your best not to) it was a case of opening the side window and trying to find the lines and cats eyes in the centre of the road to stop you driving off road, without them you were doomed.
Fortunately traffic was rare, so staying on the road was priority over hitting a car in front.


Can't think of what vehicle it would be, but in any case, the top of the beam pattern has to be below a certain angle from the horizontal position when there is a particular weight in the drivers seat. I suppose a big army type truck with multiple wheel drive and huge ground clearance may have fog lamps which are well above the height you would normally expect.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
They'd never be legal to use on the road in that position, only lights designed as fog lights (they have a different lens pattern) may be used as fog lights.


I thought that foglights had to be below bumber level and spots ('driving' lamps, if you like) had to be above it. The first production car I saw break that was the Fiesta XR2i which had everything slung below the bumper. I also thought that rear fogs had to be separate from tail lights, but Ford produced the early Sierras (maybe even the MK2 Capri) with the two behind the same lens, with the brakelights using the other one.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Darren wrote:
They'd never be legal to use on the road in that position, only lights designed as fog lights (they have a different lens pattern) may be used as fog lights.


I thought that foglights had to be below bumber level and spots ('driving' lamps, if you like) had to be above it. The first production car I saw break that was the Fiesta XR2i which had everything slung below the bumper. I also thought that rear fogs had to be separate from tail lights, but Ford produced the early Sierras (maybe even the MK2 Capri) with the two behind the same lens, with the brakelights using the other one.


I haven't read anything that says they must be below the bumper level, although I would say they were pointless if the weren't as the closer they are to the road surface, the more efficient they would be.

As for rear fogs being separate, they MUST be a separate bulb from brake lamps, but not necessarily a separate lamp unit. It used to be that rear lights / brake lights were dual filament 21W/5W stop/tail bulbs, but now many cars use the dual filament bulb as fog/tail lamps with a separate single filament 21W bulb as the stop lamp.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought this might be of interest to the fog light topic -

I observed to day driving IN FOG, aprox a 25mile journey to work on a busy 'A' road in Kent, that although aprox one third of the drivers didn't have any lights on at all, there were only three with fog lights. Shocked

Maybe the term foglight should be dropped and rename them 'Being Cool Lights' instead. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my journey to work through the rain this morning, I saw a police traffic car with flashing blue lights and only side lights - no headlights, no flashing main beam, just side lights and blues...obviously not 999tommo

This came as a great surprise, particularly since flashing main beam may be more visible than flashing blues in certain conditions

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On my journey to work through the rain this morning, I saw a police traffic car with flashing blue lights and only side lights - no headlights, no flashing main beam, just side lights and blues...obviously not 999tommo

This came as a great surprise, particularly since flashing main beam may be more visible than flashing blues in certain conditions

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To a degree I can understand why they would be driving in the rain with blue lights and sidelights... Most Traffic cars have headlamp flash, which only operates when the lights are off or on only sidelights. Obviously in this case the headlamp flash was not turned on or developed a fault.

I can't speak for other Forces, but we physically check every light is working at the start of each shift, just like we check for oil, water, panel damage, tyre wear and pressures and presence of emergency equipment.

Perhaps we are just more thorough. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still on the subject of lights - where are the winkers?

How many times do you see people change lanes on the motorway without indicating or even more infuriating, leaving a roundabout without indicating while you are sitting patiently waiting for them to pass you.

Where are the winkers? They are on the motorways and roundabouts, thats where Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm proud to say, I am a complete winker !! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

999tommo wrote:
I'm proud to say, I am a complete winker !! Laughing


I only wink for the benefit of others, so I'm also a total winker. Wink

I even used the winking smiley icon
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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999tommo wrote:
I'm proud to say, I am a complete winker !! Laughing


I only wink for the benefit of others, so I'm also a total winker. Wink

I even used the winking smiley icon


OK. I will qualify my winking. As you do mostdom, I use my indicators at all times, if another road user will benefit. I never indicate if there is nobody there or no likelihood of there being someone there, perhaps hidden from view.

Just like inconsiderate folk who never indicate, indicating for the sake of it would mean that the driver is not aware of their surroundings or not using their mirrors.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

999tommo wrote:
...qualified winker...


We are so getting in trouble for this... Razz

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