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MaFt
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Mobile Camera Updates Reply with quote

Hi all,

In a bid to try and keep the camera database as up to date as possible can I request that people submit mobile cameras whenever you see them even if they are already in the database.

Please only submit them when you actually see a mobile unit present and put a note in the comments field stating that it has "been seen again". The idea is that in 6 months time we may be able to reduce the number of mobile locations if they haven't been used for a considerable amount of time.
It will also be helpful when we get remove requests as we will have an idea as to how recently the site has been used.

Thanks

MaFt


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worth adding a note on the website submission form about this?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its already on the database I would be inclined not to bother, especially if I see one in the same location once a fortnight. Gets boring after a while.

Good Idea though. If it works?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you like the submissions/confirmations in this thread or in the normal way?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Buxton wrote:
Would you like the submissions/confirmations in this thread or in the normal way?


in the normal way please - i've added a field in the database backend for 'last reported date' so each time there is a report of it i update that. i think if there's not been a report of a mobile site for say 6 months and then get removal request it is likely that it can be safely removed. and on the flip side of that if we have a report that it's just been seen then the week later get a removal request i will know i can discount the removal request

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good move MaFt... something needs to be done about the huge proliferation of "possible" Mobile sites.

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If its already on the database I would be inclined not to bother,

All you have to do is overcome the lazyness of some people...

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especially if I see one in the same location once a fortnight. Gets boring after a while.

But you'd only do it once... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha ha

I know I deserved that! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mostdom wrote:
especially if I see one in the same location once a fortnight. Gets boring after a while.

if i set a limit of say 6months you could just re-report it every 5 months to let us know it's still active. not too boring then

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to offer a counter-argument for this idea.

I have two mobile locations very close to my home. This is a residential area that has no real through-road (or trunck routing). Both of these locations are only ever used for a few hours 2/3 times a year. But they are used.

Under the proposed plan i can see these 'dropping off' unless I submit there validity.

Most mobile locations are only used for a few hours at a time and it would be very easy to miss reporting these.

We have network drive-test teams that will drive a given area/route many times in a relative short time-frame. A number of drivers and network engineers are members of the PGPSW database and submit information. However it could be, literally, months before an area is re-driven. Assuming that no one else see's a mobile location these too will 'drop off'.

I spend most of my time driving in the SE with a concentration within the M25. I cannot say that there is a severe problem with the number of 'possible' mobile locations. I'd rather have 100 false alerts than none at all.

Coupled with the recent launch of the F20 & the connecivity software, and other <£200 Satnav equipment I can see the PGPSW database becoming even more popular. I cannot see the wholesale removal of suspected 'dormant' mobile sites being helpfull at all.

I think that this is a terrible idea and will only lead to the database being less accurate for mobile locations.

I would also think that if users really do not want to be alerted to mobile sites then they would either not upload to their devices or just turn the alerts off?

Most users i know love this database not for the fixed cameras... but the mobile alerts!

Thank you for reading.

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JD - Long term support & reader of PGPSW. Not much of a poster though!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Johnny_D.

There is a mobile unit near Staines that I found, and I have never seen it since. Ok, I don't drive there every day, but if nobody (those that use this database) reports seeing this unit again for 6 months, it does not mean that it never operates there.

I would rather have overkill on mobile locations, as they can come and go as they please. They probably also have this camera database, and would just have to wait until a mobile location is removed, and set up shop the next day.

Hell, they might just play us at our own game and leave a site for six months, have the location removed and come back for the kill.

I think the mobile database is great as it is. You know the saying, "If it works well, don't fiddle with it".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a similar situation on my route home. But in this case a group of people had been doing some surveys on the road with a speed GUN. NOT POLICE. now there are THREE mobile camera locations within one kilometer in the three locations they have been seen.

I chose not to submit them because of this but somone did.
Let them be gone.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mostdom wrote:
I have a similar situation on my route home. But in this case a group of people had been doing some surveys on the road with a speed GUN. NOT POLICE. now there are THREE mobile camera locations within one kilometer in the three locations they have been seen.

I chose not to submit them because of this but someone did.
Let them be gone.


this is the sort of site that i aim to clear from the database...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny_D wrote:

I'd rather have 100 false alerts than none at all.
Coupled with the recent launch of the F20 & the connecivity software, and other <£200 Satnav equipment I can see the PGPSW database becoming even more popular. I cannot see the wholesale removal of suspected 'dormant' mobile sites being helpfull at all.


I agree with that. I'm a new member who has just bought an F20.
PGPSW has a great database but I did have to submit a mobile site that was not included. I live out in the sticks but there is a site near me that gets used quite often. I will now submit as a sighting everytime I see it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are all the cameras that are readily available on the various County's websites included in the database? For example in Suffolk http://www.suffolksafecam.co.uk/ Chedburgh is listed, but is not in the database, 3 points and £60 told me this Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

?-M-26832 is marked .2miles from Kiln Lane!
It is waiting for you to submit the speed value.
Sorry about your points.
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