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RussJ
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 Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:13 pm Post subject: Daft Question? |
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This may be the stupidist question ever asked but....
I have an ancient Cyclops GPS speed camera detector which is on its last legs. I am considering what to replace it with and wondered if I subscribe to the camera database will my TomTom detect speed cameras even if I have not specified a route and just have it switched on showing my current location, ie will it operate in much the same way as the Cyclops?
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No question is daft ...
But the answer is yes, same for Garmin etc |
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A couple of clarifications...
It depends what model TomTom you have. Most of the newest models do not accept third party POIs, and therefore the PGPSW database cannot be installed on them. Older models are fine.
Assuming you get it installed, the TomTom does not *detect* cameras. The PGPSW database merely records and warns of known positions. Mobile sites are included in the database, but most of these will not be in use at any given time - you will still receive a warning of a potential camera at each mobile site, whether there is a camera there or not.
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MaFt
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It *can*. But if you select 'Warn only on route' then you need to be navigating to get the alerts - the advantage being it helps to reduce cameras that are not on the road you're travelling on, but it does mean navigating when you know where you are going...
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RussJ
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Thanks for the quick replies and clarification.
One other question:
Does the database differentiate between cameras watching "my" side of the road and cameras facing the other way? Or do I get a warning if I go near a camera regardless of direction?
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| RussJ wrote: | | Does the database differentiate between cameras watching "my" side of the road and cameras facing the other way? |
No | Quote: | | Or do I get a warning if I go near a camera regardless of direction |
Yes. But see MaFt's answer above. Having a route set may eliminate some cams on the other side of a dual carriageway. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Daggers wrote: | It depends what model TomTom you have. Most of the newest models do not accept third party POIs, and therefore the PGPSW database cannot be installed on them. Older models are fine.
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Wow. That must be one of the maddest decisons TT have made  |
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| sussamb wrote: | | Daggers wrote: | It depends what model TomTom you have. Most of the newest models do not accept third party POIs, and therefore the PGPSW database cannot be installed on them. Older models are fine.
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Wow. That must be one of the maddest decisons TT have made |
"One of" being accurate - TomTom have been improving their mad decisions for some years now, with the progression from around 2006/7 being an ever increasing downward spiral. There are so many of us TomTom fanboys who have stopped being fans. 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| RussJ wrote: | Thanks for the quick replies and clarification.
One other question:
Does the database differentiate between cameras watching "my" side of the road and cameras facing the other way? Or do I get a warning if I go near a camera regardless of direction?
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This has had me confused for some time now. I travel along a section of the A19 in North Yorkshire on a regular basis and most of the cameras on the dual carriageway only trigger a voice message if they are on my side of the road. However, there are 2 particular sites that trigger the voice message no matter which direction I am travelling. They all apper on the screen but these two particular sites trigger the voice message. I have checked them on the submissions site and they appear to be correctly configured as to location and direction. Odd!!!
I always use the navigation even if I know where I'm going as on my Tom Tom that's the only way to be informed if there are any delays ahead. |
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| DennisN wrote: | | There are so many of us TomTom fanboys who have stopped being fans. |
You really should include fangirls in that statement, Dennis. I'm still checking daily for TomTom to offer more refurbished GO750s, the latest of their devices I'd consider buying.
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M8TJT
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| Bunty1948 wrote: | | I have checked them on the submissions site and they appear to be correctly configured as to location and direction. |
Direction does not make any difference to TT. It's whether the cam is on the road that you are on or not. The TT can be fooled if the 'other' cam is too close 'to the road that you are on'. (Quote. Led Zeppelin, Stairway to Heaven.) |
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Is it Led Zeppelin's fault then? And here am I blaming TT. 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| M8TJT wrote: | | Bunty1948 wrote: | | I have checked them on the submissions site and they appear to be correctly configured as to location and direction. |
Direction does not make any difference to TT. It's whether the cam is on the road that you are on or not. The TT can be fooled if the 'other' cam is too close 'to the road that you are on'. (Quote. Led Zeppelin, Stairway to Heaven.) |
Sorry but I have obviously not explained myself correctly. The A19 is a dual carriageway and almost all of the PGPSW camera sites have a direction and carriageway identification, so as I travel northbound only the southbound facing cameras on the the northbound carriageway trigger a response from my Tom Tom. And of course vice versa when travelling southbound. However, there are two camera sites that trigger in both directions and therefore on both carriageways. I have looked at the PGPSW site and they appear to be corrrectly identified although of course I do not know exactly what information is stored that we cannot see. It seems strange to me that not all of the sites perform in the same way and I can only assume that some data is incorrect for these two camera sites. Strangely the TOM TOM cameras, although not as accurate as PGPSW work correctly. Odd!! |
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| Bunty1948 wrote: | | M8TJT wrote: | | Bunty1948 wrote: | | I have checked them on the submissions site and they appear to be correctly configured as to location and direction. |
Direction does not make any difference to TT. It's whether the cam is on the road that you are on or not. The TT can be fooled if the 'other' cam is too close 'to the road that you are on'. (Quote. Led Zeppelin, Stairway to Heaven.) |
Sorry but I have obviously not explained myself correctly. The A19 is a dual carriageway and almost all of the PGPSW camera sites have a direction and carriageway identification, so as I travel northbound only the southbound facing cameras on the the northbound carriageway trigger a response from my Tom Tom. And of course vice versa when travelling southbound. However, there are two camera sites that trigger in both directions and therefore on both carriageways. I have looked at the PGPSW site and they appear to be corrrectly identified although of course I do not know exactly what information is stored that we cannot see. It seems strange to me that not all of the sites perform in the same way and I can only assume that some data is incorrect for these two camera sites. Strangely the TOM TOM cameras, although not as accurate as PGPSW work correctly. Odd!! |
I've just looked at the A19. First off, the only cameras I can see in pgpsw database are all mobiles. So I'm not sure how you can be certain of "facing" north or south. It would really help if you could tell us the camera id numbers of the ones which you are having trouble with.
However, let me repeat what M8TJT said - "The TT can be fooled if the 'other' cam is too close 'to the road that you are on'." TT is NOT 100% reliable about "close". Certainly, it warns me of cameras on the "other" carriageway of dual carriageways "sometimes". It also often warns me twice of mobile cameras on overhead bridges.
So it really often depends on TT's road map - how close together it has the carriageways. This is not a visual thing.
In general, because of physical differences between different satnav makes, we have a problem with where to locate our cameras. It has been noted that on one satnav (e.g. TomTom), a location could be at the side of the road, exactly where we see the camera, however, the same data on a different satnav (e.g. Garmin) places those coordinates some yards offroad. So we try to place all the cameras in the centre of the carriageway to which they refer. This can lead to (e.g. TomTom) seeing them as "on" the carriageway currently being driven along, therefore they are warned.
I'm sure you will have seen fixed cameras both on the nearside verge and on the outside verge of dual carriageways and these can cause the "wrong" warnings.
Anyway, enough of this or it'll go on for pages. Try and tell us the id of the cameras which seem to be wrongly warning and we can look at them.
Incidentally, I find your comment about TT cameras warning correctly amusing, as this is not my own experience of them - some do it correctly, some don't. And how can you be sure if they don't tell you what type of camera they are warning, single or two-directional? I can show you cameras on the eastbound carriageway of M4 which are warned by TT in both directions.
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MaFt
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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We have directional data but TomTom do not allow us to use it.
Any 'directional' alerts you get on your tomtom from our database are purely a result of TomTom's "warn only when on route" algorithm, it DOES NOT make any use of our directional data.
Hope that makes sense?
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