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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: Static Police Cars Reply with quote

Hi

Trying by best not to be a Dilbert Embarassed

Search doesn't seem to answer my question as to why parked up Police cars aren't recorded in the database Question

I realise they may not be using cameras and they are surely monitoring (& possibly acting upon) speed? Confused

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a Speed Camera Database not a database of where Police cars might park - Mike
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an odd question!

If the police are actively using speed measuring equipment such as radar guns, then the location will be (or should be) recorded in the database as a "Mobile" camera site.
("mobile" meaning that it isn't always there, not that it's moving!)

If they aren't, and are just staring out of the window or eating their sandwiches, then they aren't doing speed checks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_P wrote:
That's an odd question!

If the police are actively using speed measuring equipment such as radar guns, then the location will be (or should be) recorded in the database as a "Mobile" camera site.
("mobile" meaning that it isn't always there, not that it's moving!)

If they aren't, and are just staring out of the window or eating their sandwiches, then they aren't doing speed checks.


Are you saying that every police stand around the M25 should be marked as a mobile camera site so that you get a warning every 1/2 mile?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

theripper wrote:
Are you saying that every police stand around the M25 should be marked as a mobile camera site so that you get a warning every 1/2 mile?

No, the only locations that are in the database are those where speed cameras are known to be working from - Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, the only locations that are in the database are those where speed cameras are known to be working from
But don't we do that already Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ M8TJT - Exactly! Smile
@ The Ripper - I was saying the exact opposite.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy
I understand that but if you are going to put one stand space in the d/b then every one should be in there because the police could park up at any of them(I've only ever seen one mobile camera in use on a motorway and that was n/bound at the bottom end of the M23).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theripper wrote:
Andy
I understand that but if you are going to put one stand space in the d/b then every one should be in there because the police could park up at any of them(I've only ever seen one mobile camera in use on a motorway and that was n/bound at the bottom end of the M23).


Sorry the ripper but a Police car could park nearly 'anywhere' to do speed checking, so where do you draw the line?
Suely the database can only be relevant if it records where a vehicle has been seen actively carrying out a check.
In relation to your comments about motorways in particular, some of the stands do not lend themselves to radar useage due to the embankment/vegetation situation surrounding the hardstanding itself creating a poor sight-line.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theripper wrote:
if you are going to put one stand space in the d/b then every one should be in there because the police could park up at any of them.


NO!
The whole way the PGPSW database is run is that you only report a camera site if you have ACTUALLY seen a camera used there. The same applies for fixed and mobile sites.

If we got a report saying someone just saw a police car on a ramp somewhere, we would reject it.

Even if we get a report saying someone saw a policeman with a camera on a tripod, it only gets into the "pMobile" file of POSSIBLE camera locations until it has been verified by another sighting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theripper wrote:
Andy
I understand that but if you are going to put one stand space in the d/b then every one should be in there because the police could park up at any of them(I've only ever seen one mobile camera in use on a motorway and that was n/bound at the bottom end of the M23).


Same could be said for every single road in the country - the police COULD technically park anywhere and check speed. However, they don't - they have regular haunts.

Same goes for the police ramps, if they get used for speed checks then they will get put in the database.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now my next question

How many motorway ramps are in the verifiers file because I keep getting them coming up for verification?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How many motorway ramps are in the verifiers file because I keep getting them coming up for verification?
As many as have been reported as having had a camera in operation Shocked Very Happy Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand where you're going with this....
Sure, we get a lot of police ramps appearing in the verifiers' files, and that's because we've had reports for them from users.

Unless there are good comments from the people who submitted them (sadly all too infrequently from CamerAlert users!) then we don't know how many are "good" camera sightings and how many are "bad" sightings, just of policemen eating their sandwiches.

But that's what the verification process is for! It can never be a perfect system, but it's better than anything else we've come up with.

What do you suggest?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately I don't have any suggestions, I will only verify a mobile site if I see a camera there not just because it's possible, for the very reason you have already stated.
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