Gatso 2: Big Brother Will Be Watching You

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[metroace]

[Gmonkey]

Just means you need a faster car to outrun them:)

[Privateer]

Hi Gmonkey,

[neil01]

Reading this reminded me of how much things have changed.

In the late seventies the police had to give chase and stop the driver - but since many only had Escort 1100's which were particularly lacking in performance, this could be either futile or amusing.

One incident I remember well, was a Police car (lights flashing) in hot persuit of a Reliant Robin on the A1 out of Wetherby - Just about all the other traffic passed them!

[Gmonkey]

yeah times have changed (I was born in the LATE 70s...4 days remaining in the decade to be exact). Too bad don't have archived police chase videos from back then...it would be hilarious.

[Gmonkey]

[trevor.dowle]

[cantgetlost]

Back to Data logging af Mobi Phone networks & Fat_Jez comments. Todays papers have an article that networks have to keep all call data and text messages for a minimum of six months re UK and EU directive and Anti Terror Laws.
Info re ability to log signal strength and match to another phone came via a network insider. If they can keep every text message for a least six months. The old computer memeory want have a problem logging signal data.
Have it on good authority from security source that this is fact! What they do and what they want the public to know about is vastly different!
If you talk to the right French security sources they will confirm that they have killed a target using the guys mobile phone. NO JOKE

[cantgetlost]

ps.
Don't upset big brother :-)

[LiveLifeGoJump]

I remember back in the late 60's doing 100 mph often (legal then, but you needed a good car to do that speed in and be able to stop afterwards). Traffic jams only happened on bank holidays.

Since then the volume & speed of the vehicles has increased dramatically, the 70 mph limit introduced (as a fuel saving measure then retained for safety issues). Speed cameras are only being brought in because because a large number of drivers think the speed limit does not apply to them. ANR is being rolled out because more & more drivers think that road fund tax, mot tests & motor insurance are not required by them.

The overall standard of driving is far lower than it should be. Just follow behind any car and take note of the excees speed, incorrect lane discipline, bad direction siginalling, use of handheld mobiles etc. etc. etc.

The only way to reduce speed cameras is to STOP SPEEDING. The same applies to ANR (unless they are altered to be used as a tax on mileage driven system.
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[Fat_Jez]

[cantgetlost]

I guess most of the people joining this Forum recently have bought a GPS to use in their car.
Have you considered the true benefit of this to your government and the environment? If you get from A to B without getting lost you cut fuel use and polution. You are also likely to be safer as you are not frustrated by being lost and less likely to speed as you know you are going to get where your going as you haven't wasted 1/2 your time driving down wrong roads.
If you have speed camera data on your GPS you are also likely to keep to limits and not slap the brakes on dangerously as you drive along in a fury as you are lost and late and see a speed camera at the last minute.
Oh yes and don't forget that this new "must have" gizmo also provides a boost to VAT and TAX.
OK , so you are helping HM Gov and the environment and that big chunk of metal you are driving also cost you a largish wedge of cash with tax going to HM Gov and the running cost do the same with huge tax on fuel. Also newspapers and mags who pay tax make a bundle from care and insurance ads and there are all the jobs that the car drivers supports such as machanics and repair people and car washing etc etc.
Oh yeah and HM gov have spent millions of our tax's propping up the car manufacturers because of jobs and the economy.
Im my 50 something years the car has improved greatly and is more refined and more people use them as they are so practical and user friendly and readily available for use etc etc.
Other things like TV and radio have improved and other inventions like microwave, video and DVD have surpassed other forms of cooking and TV watch it or miss it TV.
Yout Mobi Phone sends and receives masssages, takes photo's, is a diary and videop recorder and much more than the straight dial upo phone that it could be.
HM Gov make millions from you Mobile phone use and then not happy wioth that they then takes millions more for 3G licences and upset people with extra aerial masts for that.
Oh yeah and don't forget Digital TV that will force annalogue off the air soon and cost us all millions of pounds more to Gordon or his succesors coffers.
Long winded. but point being that our Goernment have made Billions and Billions of pound from the increased car market.
They are happy to take all our money and see the automobile improve greatly over the years whilst they let the Road system grind to a halt through under investment.
Some wally says more roads cause more traffic. So why don't they close the M25, M1, M2.M3, M4,M5 and M6 and cut the number of cars on the road!
Ha Ha Ha,I hear you all say!
Yeah your government wants the dosh and then doesn't keep road building and road development in line with caruse and development. They have the science labs that monitor fuel polution yet they take Billions of £'s from us in fuel and all the other tax's and then blame us for polution, speeding, congestion and bad driving!
So dear "LiveLifeGoJump" please engage the old lateral thought gears, Speed Camera's and ANR etc is being rolled out because HM Gov know they can get away with ripping us off a bit more.
If the Government were truly interested in safety, polution and the environment. They would have brought in greener fuels and engines that are available years ago and would have limited car speeds. Police would be on motorways and roads stopping tail gating, badly loaded vehicles and trailers, lane hogging and crazy lane changeing all that are more dangerous than speeding at times.
Oh yeah and as things like ABS came into being they would have been cumpulsory on all cars, vans and trucks!
Speed cameras are an easy option as are the potential uses of ANPR.
Take the increased car ownership over the past twenty years, road building and development has failed to stay any where near what was needed, the same as since the !950's! But where has all the motoring funded tax money gone?
In the past twenty years add in the likes of Microwave, Video,DVD,Cell Phone,PC,MP3,GPS and many other things that were virtually dreams for everyday use all those years back.
HM Governments have taken billions from these new parts of our lives in Tax's added to the extra billions from the car and vehicle users yet "LiveLifeGoJump" and others seem to put all the blame for bad driving and the use of speed camera cash cows etc on the people using the roads.
We are being conned by politicians who now blame us for the pension pot being empty a few days prior to their own huge pay and pension rise claims. And we are also blamed by the crackpots in the Green Lobby for global warming and polutions and every loony road saftey geek blames the motorists for pedestrians getting knocked over.
Have you all ever noticed thr huge number of pedestrians killed crossing motorways!Oh sorry! Pedetrians are not alloud on motorways, so why with the increase in car use have your councils and Governments not spent money segregating motor vehicles from pedestrians.
My GPS and yours is benefitting the environment and tax coffers and the old mobile phone is doing the same and providing a nice little tag for big Broth, Tony and his pals as well as a nice little tax bonus. Yet what are they doing for us as pedestrians and road users?
Sweet "furry Animals" basically!

Will understand if forum Admin moves this, but somebody has to start doing something about UK Ltd as the fools somebody voted in are having a laugh with us, and we are all paying and paying and paying!

[Skippy]

[LiveLifeGoJump]

Hi Skippy

Your could well be right about Britian having the safest roads in the world but wouldn't they be safer if driving standards improved?

Cantgetlost

Yes the Government makes a fortune out of the motorist by means of speed cameras, tax etc. They can't afford to lose the income. My point is that if no one exceeded the speed limit then they would not install 'safety cameras', if everyone taxed & insured their vehicles then there would be little need for ANR. If everyone obeyed all laws the the police could get back to telling people the time & helping old ladies across the road. That will never happen so we are stuck with an increasing number of methods or getting cash off everybody.
I used to install CCTV cameras, the vast majority were for security, the rest being used for process monitoring (watching for fires or equipment breakdowns as these cost money). I can't remember installing any security cameras where no theft or vandalism problem existed.

When things go right, do nowt. When things go wrong fix then. There is a need for speed limits but speed does not kill, accidents do and in a large number of cases, speed is blamed when bad driving was the cause (that said speeding MAY be the only bad driving factor involved, 80mph in the right conditions is safer than 40mph in the wrong ones).

As for putting 'all the blame for bad driving and the use of speed camera cash cows etc on the people using the roads', who else is to blame? The Government wouldn't spend millions installing & operating 'safety cameras' if there was no speeding and accidents would be reduced if ALL road users (this includes pedestrians etc.) used the roads correctly.

I am no saint when it comes to driving so I am partly to blame.

Yes cars have advanced but not enough. The technology is there but manufactures will not use it usless they can see a capital return or are forced. The Government should force them to fit ABS, limit max speed etc. but how do they respond to a spate of accidents in which people were killed, ah yes, force all occupants in cars to wear seatbelts. Good idea that, we can have as many accidents we like due to bad driving as long as we are wearing seatbelts.

As I said in my previous post, the 70mph limit was introduced as a fuel saving measure (around winter '74 I believe) for 6 months (I think, then extended as a safety issue) before being made permanent for safety reasons. I disagree with many of the speed limits (some should be lower but many should be higher) but find myself conforming to them more & more (not for safety reasons, purely financial i.e. fines & risk of loosing my licence/job).
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If riding in a plane is flying then riding in a boat is swimming. If you want to experience the feeling
GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE

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