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Hooloovoo
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:09 pm    Post subject: Does *any* other GPS software run on WinCE? Reply with quote

I've tried a few trial versions of other GPS programs so far like FollowMe and MemoryMap, and none of them work on my Medion 95900 running WinCE.

I know they say that they require pocketPC but I read here that pocketPC and WinCE are so similar that many pocketPC programs will actually run on winCE.

The programs install fine through active sync but when I try and run them they all just come up with an error about missing files.

Where am I going wrong?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pocket PC uses some UI elements like file open dialog etc that are different from WinCE. Also, if the program attempts to use .NET features those will fail on WinCE.

None of the good GPS programs use .Net though because it's too slow. They all use native Win32 code, and sometimes even ARM assembler.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what does that mean in practice?

Is there something else I can install first that gives it the required libraries?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, you can't.

But you can try various programs. Some will work, some won't.

Mapopolis for example have a special WinCE build.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a list anywhere of WinCE GPS programs?

I've tried google but it doesn't come up with anything useful.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lbendlin wrote:
Pocket PC uses some UI elements like file open dialog etc that are different from WinCE. Also, if the program attempts to use .NET features those will fail on WinCE.



Funny that my Medion uses WindowsCE.NET os and a program that attempts to use .NET features will fail.

PocketPC also use WindowsCE os ! (not .NET maybe)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are a few subtle differences between Pocket PC and Windows CE, most of these are in the UI. The most common DLL's that are missing are;

aygshell.dll - give you the menu bar at the bottom
doclist.dll - give you the Pocket PC style file browser

If you can find ARM versions of these DLL's and drop them into \Windows you should be able to run the majority of Pocket PC software. Have a look on Google for these files.

I know that the Handheld PC brigade had some of these files so that they could run Pocket PC software on their Windows CE 3.0 devices. These should still be compatible with Windows CE .Net

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks tchart!

I searched for the files you mentioned and found a whole library of DLLs to install. I copied them into the \windows directory and now have the trial version of FollowMe running!

Problem is it doesn't like the landscape orientation of the 95900....... I cannot see the bottom 1/5 of the screen and there is no way of scrolling up or down. That means I can't access the options dialogs properly in order to configure the GPS.

Any suggestions on how to get programs to run in landscape mode, or to reconfigure the Medion to be able to switch between portrait and landscape?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn.... thought I'd got it then.

Downloaded a freeware program called rotateSE but it doesn't work..........
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This points to a poorly programmed application. Good applications query the screen geometry before drawing the controls on the screen.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly.

But nonetheless, it won't work if I can rotate the screen.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be supporting landscape orientations shortly with my GPS Speed Sentry application. At least thats one new application that will run Smile

If you need an hand in getting stuff to run let me know. I have quite a bit of experience in this kind of stuff as I used to do this kind of thing with a Casio BE-300 which was Windows CE 3.0.

We (the BE-300 community) managed to get a lot of Pocket PC software running very well. I even wrote a fully functioning Today Screen for it (see my webiste for screen shots).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lbendlin wrote:
This points to a poorly programmed application. Good applications query the screen geometry before drawing the controls on the screen.


Indeed a good point but remeber up until recently all Pocket PC's had to have a 240x320 pixel screen with a portrait orientation. This meant programmers could safely assume this was the norm.

With Windows Mobile 2003 SE the screen rotation was built into the OS and even more recently we now have to deal with VGA resolutions and different screen ratios (eg the square screen on that new Ipaq that look like a Treo).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Trevor.

Do you have any idea why the rotateSE program doesn't run? It comes up with the same error that FollowMe used to before I copied in the new libraries.

If that won't work, do you have any suggestions on how to switch the screen between portrait and landscape that will run on CE 4.2?

I tried running the trial version of MemoryMap again last night and that works now too! It also seems to cope okay with the landscape screen. But the trial version doesn't have any GPS capability so I can't check if that works or not. Don't want to buy it only to find it isn't compatible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:47 pm    Post subject: Screen rotations Reply with quote

Nyditot runs fine
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